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Prosperity Preaching Is Not Christian (Osteen)
DFW Catholic ^ | 11.5.2014 | Vincent Ryan Ruggiero

Posted on 11/05/2014 5:18:11 PM PST by Gamecock

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To: semaj; Gamecock
semaj, as far as I know this website does not have any exclusive theological creed.

You'll notice the Religion Forum posting topics accommodate articles of interest to:

Catholic: Latin rite, Eastern rites

Charismatic Christian: Assemblies of God, pentecostalism, charismatic movement etc.

Eastern Religions: Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Taoism, etc.

Evangelical Christian: Baptist, sola scriptura, non-denominational, independent fundamentalist Bible believers, etc.

Islam: Sunni, Shiite, Sufism, Wahhabism, etc.

Judaism: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, Karaite, etc.

Mainline Protestant: Anglican, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, UCC, etc.

Orthodox Christian: Greek, Russian, Armenian, Antiochian etc.

Other Christian: 7th Day Adventist, Churches of God, Messianic Christians, Unitarian, LDS, etc.

Other non-Christian: Baha'i, Zoroastrianism, animism, Wicca, etc.

Skeptics/Seekers: Agnosticism, atheism, secular humanism, etc.

I think I even caught sight of a Swedenborgian, once.

It looks broad enough to accommodate the interests of Osteen-ites. I am not by any means an Osteen-ite, but I like FR's open approach.

21 posted on 11/05/2014 6:30:31 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Gamecock

Thanks for this. I don’t remember Jesus saying, “Take up thy electric blanket and follow Me.”


22 posted on 11/05/2014 6:33:12 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: Old Yeller
"...the lies are fairly obvious. Only the naive and self-motivated buy into them..."

Kind of a sweeping generalization for the vast majority of Christians over the past 2,000 years, isn't it?

23 posted on 11/05/2014 6:34:47 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Stone cold sober, as a matter of fact.)
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To: ealgeone

“Same could be said about catholicism with its false teachings on Mary, indulgences, etc.”

It’s only false “teachings” if you are a Protestant and think you can skip over 1500 years of Catholicism with its teachings and traditions, and then pick up on Christianity at the point of the Reformation and then claim it, and the Catholic bible as your own.

Then you cherry pick the parts of the bible you like, write a new version minus certain chapters, and claim sola scriptura after copping off with another religion’s (Catholic) bible and claiming you have the one true way. What conceit.

Then the new Protestant religions break up into hundreds of other Protestant religions until most are so watered down as to become mere shadows of the one true Christian religion (Catholicism) that they all cloned off of. And of course one man’s sola scriptura (interpretation of God’s word in the bible) is different from the next sect’s interpretation of the bible, until you have thousands of interpretations of a bible that wasn’t even initially (for 1500 years) yours.


24 posted on 11/05/2014 6:35:09 PM PST by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: ealgeone

“Same could be said about catholicism with its false teachings on Mary, indulgences, etc.”

It’s only false “teachings” if you are a Protestant and think you can skip over 1500 years of Catholicism with its teachings and traditions, and then pick up on Christianity at the point of the Reformation and then claim it, and the Catholic bible as your own.

Then you cherry pick the parts of the bible you like, write a new version minus certain chapters, and claim sola scriptura after copping off with another religion’s (Catholic) bible and claiming you have the one true way. What conceit.

Then the new Protestant religions break up into hundreds of other Protestant religions until most are so watered down as to become mere shadows of the one true Christian religion (Catholicism) that they all cloned off of. And of course one man’s sola scriptura (interpretation of God’s word in the bible) is different from the next sect’s interpretation of the bible, until you have thousands of interpretations of a bible that wasn’t even initially (for 1500 years) yours.


25 posted on 11/05/2014 6:35:28 PM PST by flaglady47 (The useful idiots always go first)
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To: flaglady47

Wow, so much revisionist history there while totally being unable to defend the false teachings.


26 posted on 11/05/2014 6:42:49 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: jimmyray; Gamecock; ealgeone
Catholics err for they do not know the scriptures,

They much do but the OP is not a Catholic (see his home page).

27 posted on 11/05/2014 6:46:11 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Sasparilla
Interesting too that nowhere in the bible is there a mention of an infallible Pope.

The bible doesn't mention biblical inerrancy either.

28 posted on 11/05/2014 6:47:00 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Old Yeller

It always amazes me how willing some are to sow discontent in Christ, rather than unity in Christ. As He said, he willed that all of His be as one, just as He is one with the Father.

I say this as a father of a strident Catholic son, and the father of a strident Protestant preacher — both of whom deliver themselves daily in sacrifice to the mission bestowed upon them by their Lord no Svior, Jesus Christ OUR Lord.

Get over the divisions people. It is not what Christ wanted for us. Together, we will have enough faith to move mountains. Apart,,,,well, that is what Satan desires.


29 posted on 11/05/2014 6:49:09 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

Lord And Savior....thanks, ipad.


30 posted on 11/05/2014 6:49:59 PM PST by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: JSDude1

Agreed. The guuywho post osteen crap everyday needs a good whack on the side of the head with this article. I am not catholic but all the authors arguments arevalid. How can fr let that guy post osteen gibberish everyday and not let anyone comment about it but then remove or ban others who do less.? There’s a point that u have to start questioning frs sincerity in truth.


31 posted on 11/05/2014 6:51:56 PM PST by Deathtomarxists (It walks up stairs all over in pairs it makes a whispering sound, its obama's stinky slinky)
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To: daniel1212
QUOTE: "They much do but the OP is not a Catholic (see his home page)."

I was referring to the author of the article, Vincent Ryan Ruggiero, who I concluded was RC because the article was on "DFW Catholic.ORG".

32 posted on 11/05/2014 6:53:52 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: Poison Pill
QUOTE: "The bible doesn't mention biblical inerrancy either."

Really?

2 Timothy 3:16 - All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Can scripture be God-breathed and errant?

33 posted on 11/05/2014 6:57:43 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
Get over the divisions people.

John 14:2 (King James Version): "In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

Many people feel that 14:2 is saying that there is room for all who believe. I agree with that, and I agree with you.

34 posted on 11/05/2014 7:06:53 PM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Poison Pill
QUOTE: "...mention of an infallible Pope."

Rather, Jesus SPECIFICALLY forbade us from calling anyone on earth Father, or by extension, Pope. (Pope: Latin for papa, father)

Matthew 23:9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

The only one with authority to write scripture and declare unknown truth in Jesus Christ, our Rabbi and High Priest, and God our Father. The only head of the church, his body, is Jesus Christ, not some earthly 'vicar'.

35 posted on 11/05/2014 7:07:43 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: JSDude1
And he always posts with the warning of some religion mod that debate on devotional threads isn't allowed.

People who are afraid of debate know their position is indefensible.

36 posted on 11/05/2014 7:17:04 PM PST by LouAvul (If government is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.)
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To: jimmyray
Can scripture be God-breathed and errant?

What is the smallest of all seeds?

37 posted on 11/05/2014 7:18:49 PM PST by Poison Pill
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To: Poison Pill
QUOTE: "What is the smallest of all seeds?"

That was planted by a (esp. 1st century) farmer in the whole world that grew into a tree large enough to support bird nests? Probably a Mustard seed, but that's just a guess. :)

It's a proverbial statement, a parable.

38 posted on 11/05/2014 7:45:49 PM PST by jimmyray
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

You’re flippin’ awesome. Thanks.


39 posted on 11/05/2014 7:48:10 PM PST by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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To: Poison Pill
While you search the scriptures for other "errors", you miss the point of the parable. For "With many similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them, as much as they could understand." Mark 4:33.

What good would it be for Jesus to refer to Orchid seeds that his audience had never seen, or could have discerned with unaided eyesight, and in which birds could not nest? The parable would be rendered irrelevant.

40 posted on 11/05/2014 7:53:43 PM PST by jimmyray
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