Posted on 11/20/2014 2:42:16 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
Shadow of St. Peter =/= Cloud of Pope Francis.
Pope Translator:
So why did Pope Francis remove the conservative Cardinal Burke from his position?
George Weigel has also been very level-headed.
In before the pope is mistranslated again PING
Often at odds with the Obama administration over religious liberty, abortion, and gay marriage, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops has come out on the president’s side this month, pleased with his decision to act unilaterally on immigration, a move they’ve been encouraging for some time.
-- from the thread Catholic Bishops Encourage Obama’s Executive Action....on social issues, especially homosexuality, Catholics are far more likely to be liberal than other Christians, and even Americans in general....the Pew Center finds that an overwhelming number of US Catholics aged 18 to 29 accept homosexuality (85 percent) and support same-sex marriage (75 percent). More worryingly for conservative Catholics, when the question is asked of weekly massgoers, who are by definition more likely to be involved in the faith and in their parish, the number of overall pro-SSM Catholics is an astonishing 45 percent. Only 44 percent of weekly massgoers support the Church’s teaching, which is to oppose same-sex marriage. The last 11 percent presumably don’t know how they feel. Given the strong cultural currents moving toward full acceptance of gay marriage, there is no reason to believe that when they do make their minds up, that all, or even most, of those undecided Catholics will break for the Church’s position. In fact, given that Pew’s analysis doesn’t break out the weekly massgoers by age group, it is likely that the opposition to SSM is heavily weighted toward the seniors, a group that is literally dying out....
....In general, the higher a share of a country’s residents are Catholic, the higher percentage of residents express tolerance toward divorce and towards gays. The effect isn’t huge, but it’s consistent.
-- from the thread Catholics, the Real Liberals
Even St. Catherine of Siena, whose most famous calling in her short but dramatic life was to be a persistent corrector of bad, weak or stupid popes, addressed them as Vicars of Christ.
Incidentally, I think that this "Humanum" conference (mis-named "Humanus" by the above author) is huge --- and something you'll not see in the secular press (link)
Do you consider George, Glendon, Card and Chaput to be ‘conservative’, as in advocating adherence to Church doctrine?
Yes.
Has St. Catherine of Siena informed you as to whether that appellation is still applicable in the case of the current (and possibly last) pope?
Ambrosial: exceptionally pleasing to taste or smell; especially delicious or fragrant. (???)
Do you consider George, Glendon, Card and Chaput to be ‘conservative’, in the Free Republic / political sense of the term, i.e. do they advocate for a constitutionally limited government, against amnesty for illegals, against government-run healthcare, for the rollback of Federal welfare programs, for strengthening US borders, for maintaining a strong civil and personal defense, and promoting personal responsibility and self-government?
We could start a pool and see how many posts it is before that happens for each thread about the popes latest gaffe of the day.
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Alex, we’re talking about the Church here. I have no idea what their opinions on other things are, and for the purposes of this post, I don’t care.
That said, much of this is damning with faint praise. Pope Francis was out doing his ecology routine with the EU today, and I suspect that even they thought he was a fly trapped in 1970s amber. Maybe early 80s, at best.
I have not read the George, Glendon, Card and Chaput, so I do not know. However, is it safe to say that the Church often opposes the positions you cite, such as the treatment of invaders. Mrs. Don-O has reminded me that these Church positions are often contrary to its Canons: its doctrine. The protection of life and marriage by a religion, however, would suffice for me.
livius, we're posting to each other on Free Republic here. I'd like to believe that you have an idea what "conservative" means, in the context of this website, and more importantly that you have ideas on advancing political conservatism in this country.
and for the purposes of this post, I don’t care.
In regards to not having an idea what their opinions on "other things" are, some of us already know about their politically liberal stances, and we oppose them. I guess that makes us anti-Catholics, right?
No, it doesn’t make you anti-Catholic. But there is a difference between the political definition of conservative - which actually seems to have less and less meaning - and the religious definition, which relates to the truths of the faith.
That said, I’m not defending any statement by Pope Francis.
Considering that you're registered on, and posting on a political website, you might want to use the in-context, prevailing definitions that this site uses. Imagine the reaction I'd get if I started posting on Catholic Answers, and insisted on using the term "apostolic" to describe the political belief espoused by Lex, Rex.
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