Pope Saint Pius X pray for us.
So, he’s sort of moving in the direction of “priesthood of all believers”? Interesting.
Sounds an awful lot like doctrine-by-democracy.
There are plenty of Protestant churches (not saying all of them but some spring to mine so save the hate) I could join if I wanted that.
How about a plebiscite.
It’s ok to consult with ordinary Catholics on non-doctrinal issues, but I think the pope wants to take it further than that: theology by public opinion poll. That is both un-Biblical and against the teachings of the Catholic Church. Public opinion got Jesus crucified (”Give us Barabbas!).
There are plenty of “ordinary Catholics” around the world, most of which are not actually living by their faith. Nancy Pelosi for one. Are these the ones the Pope wants Catholic theologians to humbly listen to before making their pronouncements?
Reminds me of how Bill Hybels started his Willow Creek mega-church by interviewing the non-believers in the area and finding out what their preferences were. That’s right. Go to the pagans first and find out what they want in a church and design your new church around those parameters.
Didn’t know you were SSPX.
Bad translation.
I remember from my college Christology class that the job of a theologian is to take the concepts and share them with the people in a way that is understandable and usable. It’s a teaching function.
I think I have encountered theologians who were out of touch with real people. If I hear one more guest homilist say the word “brokenness”, or use the word “gift” without a pronoun in front of it (”love is gift”)......
Theologians don’t need to learn doctrine from regular people. However, they do need to understand what regular people need in order to live their faith (clear instructions, help with moral decisions, etc.)
We had a priest who had no idea, until he lived with his married sister for a couple weeks, that dealing with little children’s morning needs can cause one to postpone his or her morning cup of coffee for an hour or more. He stood there holding his empty mug, until eventually it dawned on him what kind of ongoing daily sacrifice parenthood requires.
That’s what theologians need to learn from regular people.
Maybe we can have a vote! Or better yet a binding poll!
"Making their own pronouncements" does not mean the same as "teaching thie authentic doctrines of the Church. Thelogians have no business "making their own pronouncements."
The laity should make that clear to them. Early and often.
Maybe he should rethink that - the laity is, in general, much more conservative than the clergy, and obviously, a lot more so than Pope Francis. (I’m talking about the laity that actually practices, not people who just call themselves Catholics because they happened to be baptized in a Catholic church.) I don’t think he’d like the message he’d get...
The reason he’s having trouble stamping out the Old Rite is that many of the laity actually want it, and did more to keep it alive than the clergy did.
This pope just keeps saying stupid things. Morality ain’t determined by majority vote. God created us and He therefore makes the rules we’re to live by. We individually and collectively ignore Him at our peril.
Beinst that all of the "modernist" changes that torpedoed into the Church post-Vat 2 were foisted on the faithful by "theologians" who knew better than the "benighted laitythentic, consulting the laity may not be a bad thing.The faithful Catholics are more conservative that the kind of theologians who are "... just making their own pronouncements on hot-button issues" (FTA).
The gibberish in the middle of this paragraph (posted by me) is where a huge chunk was deleted by my computer. I know not how: dern technoogy may be demon-infested. Anyhow, wha I wanted to say was this:
Beinst that all of the "modernist" changes that torpedoed into the Church post-Vat 2 were foisted on the faithful by "theologians" who knew better than the "benighted laity," asking ordinary faithful rosary-and holy-card-Catholics what they consider to be auhentic, unchanging Catholic doctrines could yield some heartening results. It wasn't laity marching and chanting in 1968 that brought us the hugely destructive scandal of dissent on Humanae Vitae: it was the despicable Fr. Charlie Curran and the faithless faculty of Catholic University of America. So consulting the laity may not be a bad idea. Ruffing off of the famous Buckley quote, I would rather be schooled in Catholicism by the fiirst 50 people through the doors for 7:00 a.m. and 8:30 a.m. Daily Mass than by the Catholic Theological Society of America.