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Rebuking Burke: Francis confirms it
Harvesting the Fruit of Vatican II ^ | 12/9/14 | Louie Verrecchio

Posted on 12/09/2014 5:07:21 PM PST by BlatherNaut

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1 posted on 12/09/2014 5:07:21 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

So which is it more? A political organization or a religiously-based political organization? Or about half and half...?


2 posted on 12/09/2014 5:43:03 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: BlatherNaut

Francis replaced him for one reason. Cardinal Burke is a devout Catholic that lives by the the teachings of the Catholic Church. He’s everything Francis is not. Francis does not like to be reminded that Catholic doctrine CAN NOT change as much as leftist Jesuits like him want it to change. I guarantee you that as soon as Francis is history, it will be another 1,000 years before a Jesuit is made pope again. Francis detests the role of pope. He wants to be everyone’s buddy and does not like to be bothered by troublesome things like the doctrine of the Catholic Church. He could care less. Plus he’s mean and vindictive and fires anyone that does not agree with his liberal views.


3 posted on 12/09/2014 5:47:01 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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To: NKP_Vet
Plus he’s mean and vindictive and fires anyone that does not agree with his liberal views.

That's pretty persuasive. Yet, for some reason, I hesitate to sign on with the RCC just right now if ever.
4 posted on 12/09/2014 5:50:30 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero
That's pretty persuasive. Yet, for some reason, I hesitate to sign on with the RCC just right now if ever.

If you believe that becoming a Catholic means "signing on with the RCC," then you ought never to do so. FAITH involves you entire mind, heart and soul, not a sign-up document or mental assent to believe in Catholic dogma. It really is so much more than that.

To become a Catholic you WOULD discover the beauty and majesty of the seven Sacraments. You would go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, a most profound Sacrament.

Also, we believe that ONLY Catholic ordained priests have the authority to say the words that change bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Our Lord Jesus. That is, no matter how devout and good any Protestant may be, THEY do not have any minister or reverend who has that authority. So, even if devout Protestants THINK that they are ingesting the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus with THEIR pastoral feast, they aren't.

There WERE no Protestants until the 16th century so the Catholic Church had 1500 years of preaching the Word, Catholic (which just means "universal") dogma and administering the seven Sacraments.

Also, now in 2014 there are 40,000 DIFFERENT PROTESTANT denominations in the world. Google it; I didn't make that up.
There is one Catholic Church that has, since the 1960's, united even more. Those were from the efforts and much time by the various pontiffs and world-wide prelates.
Even the Orthodoxies have united with Rome. I THINK that the last holdout is the Russian Orthodoxy. And who knows, they may even join with the world-wide Roman Catholic Church.
Besides, a Russian Orthodox service is all done behind hidden screens (with more than one priest--hard to tell since we couldn't see anything but the screens) so you can't see ANYTHING and everyone has the STAND during the entire service. I did go to a service once. It WAS beautiful, what we were allowed to glimpse at.

Our good Lord became flesh into this world 2000 years ago while it was under the domination of the Roman Empire...and He must have had good reasons for doing so.

5 posted on 12/09/2014 7:04:24 PM PST by cloudmountain
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Amen. And I remain a Catholic because of the eternal truth of the church. 2,000 of doctrine established on the Word of God, that has survived some very bad popes, who are all but sinners like the rest of us.


6 posted on 12/09/2014 8:10:22 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus")
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To: NKP_Vet

“Where Peter is, there is the Church.”

yet,
“Where the Church is, there is the Iscariot.”


7 posted on 12/09/2014 8:36:10 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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To: BlatherNaut
Cotton Candy Catholic Chorus has emerged from Lala Land

LOL

8 posted on 12/09/2014 8:41:05 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: cloudmountain
You would go to the Sacrament of Reconciliation, a most profound Sacrament.

Clean up your language. That's called Confession.

9 posted on 12/09/2014 8:43:02 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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Reconciliation, Penance, Confession

The Sacrament is actually called the Sacrament of Reconciliation or the Sacrament of Penance.

Confession is the act of availing ourselves of that Sacrament.


10 posted on 12/09/2014 8:46:36 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
This name “reconciliation,” is it what we now want to call the Sacrament of Penance? Let us start with a short answer: No, definitely not. And now, let us give the reasons why reconciliation should not be the name for the Sacrament of Penance.

First, the word “reconciliation” denotes only the final stage of the process of conversion. It does not express or convey the hard and humbling need for sorrow (contrition), for expiation, for atonement, for confession to a priest. Penance and Confession, conversely, do clearly express these more demanding stages of conversion.

Second, “reconciliation” is an act and a gift of God’s grace and of the Church’s favor, something outside the sinner’s action and doing. On the other hand, Penance and Confession express well the acts of the penitent. Reconciliation does not. Reconciliation is not done, but is received by the penitent.

Third, “reconciliation” is simply not applicable in a confession of devotion, that is, one without mortal sins. But the Church has always warmly encouraged confessions of devotion. In the encyclical Mystici Corporis, Pope Pius XII praised and encouraged the practice of frequent confessions:

Are we to start calling this confession a “reconciliation”? Again, I think not. The word reconciliation could seem presumptuous or insensitive to the feelings of all concerned. Remember that when the Church did use that term in the early Church of the Fathers, the reconciliation ceremony was preceded by a long and severe penance. It was a major change for the Church eventually to assign only a light penance to and to grant absolution before the penance was performed. We do well to keep the name Confession.

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/a046htConfession_2_Somerville.htm

11 posted on 12/09/2014 9:11:13 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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“Also, now in 2014 there are 40,000 DIFFERENT PROTESTANT denominations in the world. Google it; I didn’t make that up.”

Excellent point. If it is on the Internet, it must be true...


12 posted on 12/09/2014 9:14:18 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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To: steve86

Please check the extra links.

http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=35500


13 posted on 12/09/2014 9:24:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
"A modern dictionary of Catholic terms"

That's a Vatican II dictionary.

14 posted on 12/09/2014 9:29:23 PM PST by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc OÂ’Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: steve86; Salvation

Yup, just another post-Vatican II change to make “Catholicism” more palatable to the non-Catholics. The words used before Vatican II was just so......Catholic. Good thing Vatican II cleaned that mess up!


15 posted on 12/10/2014 2:37:26 AM PST by piusv
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To: cloudmountain
Even the Orthodoxies have united with Rome. I THINK that the last holdout is the Russian Orthodoxy. And who knows, they may even join with the world-wide Roman Catholic Church.

Good...The more the merrier...

Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

You guys don't believe God said that, do you??? You just keep building that religion so it becomes very visible...So we can know to avoid it...

16 posted on 12/10/2014 4:45:13 AM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: Mr Rogers
“Also, now in 2014 there are 40,000 DIFFERENT PROTESTANT denominations in the world. Google it; I didn’t make that up.”

Somebody did because nowhere in the world will you find a list of these 40,000 denominations.

17 posted on 12/10/2014 5:10:50 AM PST by circlecity
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To: BlatherNaut

The Holy Father, when one considers his own words, comes across as a mixture of Jimmy Carter and the Godfather. We were blessed with two holy and brilliant popes - JPII and BXVI - so I guess the Holy Spirit wanted to throw a bit of sand in the pudding. We must pray for all of them.


18 posted on 12/10/2014 5:16:06 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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JPII and Benedict XVI are a tough couple of men to follow no matter who you are. Pray for the Holy Father, pray that those around him, help him, rather than hinder. Pray that people stop using the word Catholic to advance agendas that are at odds with the teachings of the Church.

St. Michael the Arch Angel, defend us!

19 posted on 12/10/2014 5:32:51 AM PST by defconw (If not now, WHEN?)
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To: cloudmountain
If you believe that becoming a Catholic means "signing on with the RCC," then you ought never to do so.

Thank you for your post. It helped clarify a few foggy areas I had. Now, I am fully persuaded.
20 posted on 12/10/2014 5:41:26 AM PST by Resettozero
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