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To: Biggirl; daniel1212; metmom
Lets look at the direct translation from the Greek. It makes so much more sense.

I moreover to you say that you are a pebble, and on this the boulder I will build my assembly.

Peter = Petros - a small pebble such as a man can throw.

Rock = petra - a boulder such as out of a protruding cliff which is solid and unmovable by man.

10 posted on 12/13/2014 8:51:56 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear
Petra – Peter rock

Matthew 16:18 - http://bible.cc/matthew/16-18.htm

Jesus said that Peter was *petros*(masculine) and that on this *petra*(feminine) He would build His church.

Greek: 4074 Pétros (a masculine noun) – properly, a stone (pebble), such as a small rock found along a pathway. 4074 /Pétros (”small stone”) then stands in contrast to 4073 /pétra (”cliff, boulder,” Abbott-Smith).

“4074 (Pétros) is an isolated rock and 4073 (pétra) is a cliff” (TDNT, 3, 100). “4074 (Pétros) always means a stone . . . such as a man may throw, . . . versus 4073 (pétra), a projecting rock, cliff” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

4073 pétra (a feminine noun) – “a mass of connected rock,” which is distinct from 4074 (Pétros) which is “a detached stone or boulder” (A-S). 4073 (pétra) is a “solid or native rock, rising up through the earth” (Souter) – a huge mass of rock (a boulder), such as a projecting cliff.

4073 (petra) is “a projecting rock, cliff (feminine noun) . . . 4074 (petros, the masculine form) however is a stone . . . such as a man might throw” (S. Zodhiates, Dict).

It’s also a strange way to word the sentence that He would call Peter a rock and say that on this I will build my church instead of *on you* as would be grammatically correct in talking to a person.

There is no support from the original Greek for the idea that Jesus meant Peter to be that which He was going to build His church on. The nouns are not the same as one is feminine and the other masculine and denote different objects.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P1D.HTM

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.'8 On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.9 "To preach. . . the unsearchable riches of Christ"10

Even the Catholic church admits that Christ built His church on the CONFESSION of Peter.

15 posted on 12/13/2014 10:51:43 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212; metmom
Peter = Petros - a small pebble such as a man can throw. Rock = petra - a boulder such as out of a protruding cliff which is solid and unmovable by man.

Where did you earn your degree and what is it in?

56 posted on 12/14/2014 4:46:56 AM PST by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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