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To: OneVike

Here is part of an article from a Muslim Professor.


I am Muslim and teach Eastern History.
While Mohammad, the Kaaba and the Islamic religion seems to be very well documented in religious sources, I regret to say that there are few authentic Historical sources of Mohammad and Mecca. Of course, New Age Historians have come up with theories including a story of communication between the Pope and Mohammad but these theories are unfounded.

Another excerpt
In fact there are more authentic Historical mention of Jesus than the more recent Great Prophet Mohammad himself.

Sorry if I offend fellow Muslims who think differently.


It is likely that what you say is true as Hagar went to the wilderness of Beersheba and that seems to be where Ishmael stayed.

Which is just 70 miles or so and was also where the Israelites first settled after their Journey in the wilderness and was a part of Canaan.

It is doubtfull if Abraham or Ishmael either one even got close to Meca.

Also if Meca was where Ishmael settled it would be an ancient town but there is no evidence that it even existed before 400 ad.

So who are the Ishmael people today?


20 posted on 12/18/2014 1:50:02 PM PST by ravenwolf (` Does the scripture explain it in full detail? if not how can you?)
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To: ravenwolf

So who are the Ishmael people today?

I was under the perception that they were the Palestinians but now it seems like the Palestinians are mostly Arabs from Egypt and Saudi Arabia and Jordan so perhaps they were the Edomites and has been dispersed and blended into all the regions and lost, interesting stuff anyway


21 posted on 12/18/2014 3:00:46 PM PST by munin (MSNBC?)
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To: ravenwolf

Most likely they were mostly wiped out by the many tribes that moved into the area like the Philistines who invaded the area just before the Israelites entered and the time of Judges came.

many were wiped out by the Israelites themselves while others ended up being wiped out by the Egyptians or even the Ninevites who battled with Egypt for supremacy of the area God gave Abraham days the Israelites were still captive in Egypt.

Heck maybe even as young prince of Egypt before he murdered the guard and fled Egypt, Moses went to war and killed many. After all the area we are talking about was the Sinai desert area where the 12 Ishmael Kings ruled. So there would have been man small wars they had as Egypt’s influence grew.

Remember, the whole of Canaan was battled for by many nations that came and went. My money is on the fact that the Kings were eventually defeated and the peoples were taken as slaves or melted into the nations of Moab, Edom, Philistines, etc, etc. All the nations that Israel would eventually defeat in the years of Judges leading up to Solomon’s reign.


22 posted on 12/18/2014 3:02:36 PM PST by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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