Posted on 12/31/2014 4:33:50 PM PST by NYer
Bemoaning shrinking families while encouraging choosing a celibate lifestyle as a priest or a nun?
You can't have it both ways.
Or do Catholics expect only a few Catholic families to do all the heavy lifting in maintaining the number of cradle Catholics? Quite a burden to place on those who are denigrated already for choosing marriage over celibacy.
Do you'll not see the irony at all?
What happened at VC II that made them get rid of these beautiful things?
“How do you know that?”
Because if there was an inscription of a parish’s name, then that’s where it would go. At the very least such an inscription would help explain how the monstrance ended up in the lake because it would help delineate time and place.
1) Yet we are specifically told that the man who found it only had a notion it was “churchy” - indicating there was no inscription of a parish’s name.
2) a priest was shown the item and he said take it to the basilica. If there was an inscription of a parish’s name or a priest’s name even, that would not have been the case.
3) If it had an inscription identifying an owning parish, it would not have sat in storage for 20 years.
4) Such an inscription would have been mention in the article or at the very least in the Bishop’s homily/address. It was not.
There is NO inscription.
We are without Nun teachers in this country, need teaching nuns like the Nuns from Ann Arbor, MI. I was taught for 12 years, all Catholic Nuns throughout.
“What happened at VC II that made them get rid of these beautiful things?”
Nothing. That’s the problem. Nothing that came out of Vatican II - in its documents - actually denigrated the use of beautiful things. Here’s how John Paul II put it:
11. The Second Vatican Council laid the foundation for a renewed relationship between the Church and culture, with immediate implications for the world of art. This is a relationship offered in friendship, openness and dialogue. In the Pastoral Constitution Gaudium et Spes, the Fathers of the Council stressed “the great importance” of literature and the arts in human life: “They seek to probe the true nature of man, his problems and experiences, as he strives to know and perfect himself and the world, to discover his place in history and the universe, to portray his miseries and joys, his needs and strengths, with a view to a better future”.(18)
On this basis, at the end of the Council the Fathers addressed a greeting and an appeal to artists: “This world—they said—in which we live needs beauty in order not to sink into despair. Beauty, like truth, brings joy to the human heart and is that precious fruit which resists the erosion of time, which unites generations and enables them to be one in admiration!”.(19) In this spirit of profound respect for beauty, the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy Sacrosanctum Concilium recalled the historic friendliness of the Church towards art and, referring more specifically to sacred art, the “summit” of religious art, did not hesitate to consider artists as having “a noble ministry” when their works reflect in some way the infinite beauty of God and raise people’s minds to him.(20) Thanks also to the help of artists “the knowledge of God can be better revealed and the preaching of the Gospel can become clearer to the human mind”.(21) In this light, it comes as no surprise when Father Marie Dominique Chenu claims that the work of the historian of theology would be incomplete if he failed to give due attention to works of art, both literary and figurative, which are in their own way “not only aesthetic representations, but genuine ‘sources’ of theology”.(22)
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_let_23041999_artists_en.html
It was the “spirit of Vatican II” - which has nothing to do with Vatican II itself - is the problem. And started BEFORE Vatican II.
“HE AMERICAN WING of The Metropolitan
“Museum of Art houses a fine silver monstrance
from the distinguished collection
bequeathed in 1931 by Michael F. Friedsam (Figure
1).”
Figures 3-6. Details of
monstrance in Figure i,
showing inscription
All sorts of inscriptions: http://www.frh-europe.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Pregent3b.jpg
Without a VC II, there would be no “spirit of Vatican II”.
There was no evil “spirit of Trent” which followed that council.
“Without a VC II, there would be no “spirit of Vatican II”.”
The only relation between the two is the name.
“There was no evil “spirit of Trent” which followed that council.”
Evil? No. Problematic? Well, look at what some Catholics were writing in the late 16th century and you might think otherwise.
**There, he placed the monstrance atop a gleaming altar inside a new adoration chapel that he dedicated to be used to pray for vocations to the priesthood and consecrated life.
“Using a monstrance fished out of a lake, we will ask the Lord to send us new ‘fishers of men,’” Archbishop Lori said in his homily, prior to dedicating the new chapel, “both here in the Archdiocese of Baltimore and in the whole Church.”**
Amen!
Parents can pray for their children to enter any of these vocations, all noble.
Does the article say this? I don't see it.
Also, wasn't this monstrance just recently been made known to the public? If so, isn't it possible that someone who could recognize it just hasn't seen it yet?
Not a believer myself, but that is amazing art work. You have to admire the skill and devotion/ dedication it must taken to build something like that.
.....Or get those from those countries that are having a “boom” in vocations, such as in Africa or Asia.
There was say a “Prostestant Revolt” though during the 16th century.
That thing looks pretty darn big and heavy. I wonder what pound test line the guy was using to be able to real that in........
“Does the article say this? I don’t see it.”
No, you don’t.
“Also, wasn’t this monstrance just recently been made known to the public?”
No, not really, but that wouldn’t be the point anyway. Clergy would recognize it more readily than lay people anyway.
“If so, isn’t it possible that someone who could recognize it just hasn’t seen it yet?”
Yes, but most likely it hasn’t been recognized because it is old.
“There was say a “Prostestant Revolt” though during the 16th century.”
There was say a “Modernist/Liberal Revolt” though during the 20th century.
I’ll bet not many parents plant a seed of being a religious in these days.....sad.
If you accept Vat2, you think the RCC is alive,
If you reject Vat2, you know the RCC is dead.
...PS I got saved out of the rcc in ‘86. Ephesians ch2
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