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1 posted on 02/02/2015 2:11:13 PM PST by boatbums
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2 posted on 02/02/2015 2:18:22 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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Luther’s famous notion of simul justus et peccator (“at the same time just and sinner”) is another error rooted in leaving man completely out of the equation when it comes to his own justification. It means, in effect, man's justification is accomplished extrinsic to him. God declares a man just via a divine, forensic declaration—a legal fiction—rather than the biblical notion of a real inward transformation that makes him truly and inwardly just (cf. II Cor. 5:17).

Man's justification IS extrinsic to him. He can't accomplish it himself but is declared just by the decree of God.

Colossians 2:13-14 And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross.

Man isn't justified because he has a new nature. Yes, he was given a new nature, but the justification is a declaration by God, not a result of anything man can do about it. A dead man cannot do anything. And that passage declares that it's all God's working.

5 posted on 02/02/2015 3:38:41 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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He is the God who enforces his “hidden and awful will” which includes the predestinating punishment for sinners. Of this hidden will, no creature is to speculate on or inquire.

I'm not sure who the author is referencing, but at the risk of contradicting Luther, I would suggest that God's "hidden and awful will" really should be God's "hidden and perfect will". The fact that our God predestined punishment for sinners does not contradict God's love and mercy. It just simply shows us we cannot understand the mind of God and how this is a merciful act. Yet it is. Thus it is best not to speculate but only accept this fact.

7 posted on 02/02/2015 4:20:01 PM PST by HarleyD ("... letters are weighty, but his .. presence is weak, and his speech of no account.")
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The actual debate then Staples should have with Luther is over this very issue: what constitutes the Law, according to Paul?

Paul actually includes Wisdom books (Psalms, Prov., Eccl.) and prophets as part of the Law, and places everyone under its condemnation.

hat then? are we better [than they]? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; Gal 3:22; 10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Ps 14:3; Ps 53:3; 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. Ps 53:2; 12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Eccl. 7:20; Is. 64:6; 13 Their throat [is] an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps [is] under their lips: Ps 5:9; Ps 140:3; 14 Whose mouth [is] full of cursing and bitterness: Ps 10:7; 15 Their feet [are] swift to shed blood: Prov 1:16; Isa 59:7; 16 Destruction and misery [are] in their ways: 17 And the way of peace have they not known: 18 There is no fear of God before their eyes. Ps 36:1;

19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin. Mt. 5:19; 15:18,19; Mk. 10:18,19; Gal.2:16; Rm.2:20; 7:7; Heb 7:18; 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; Lk. 24:.27; Rm.1:17; Phil 3:9; 22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Jn. 1:12,13; 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Mk. 10:18; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Isa 53:5; 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; Lk. 24:44,47 2Cor 5:19; Col 1:20; Heb 4:16; 1John 4:10; Exod 25:17; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Jn. 1:17; 27 Where [is] boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

And the law is used because,

"if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. (Galatians 3:21)

8 posted on 02/02/2015 5:02:22 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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Good read.. Catholics just hate Luther because unlike those that they had sacrificed (huss wycliff etc) Luther went right to the seat of power of Rome and confronted with " I can do no other"
9 posted on 02/02/2015 5:25:02 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Ga 4:16)
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