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1 posted on 06/29/2015 7:21:24 AM PDT by marshmallow
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Catholic ping!


2 posted on 06/29/2015 8:21:40 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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Just an explanation. This prayer was in the Old Rite, and BXVI rewrote it so it wouldn’t reflect the anti-Semitism that was a feature of its place of origin (Carolingian France, source of what is known as the Franco-Roman Rite that is the basis, even after Trent, of the Old Rite mass).

That said, I don’t know why liberal Jews would care about this - it’s not anti-Semitic, but prays for their acceptance of the Messiah, which is logical in a Catholic prayer. If we want to start attacking prayers, how about the Jewish prayer where you thank God you weren’t born a woman? Curiously enough, lefty feminists seem to have missed this one.

It all depends on your target, in other words.


3 posted on 06/29/2015 9:59:56 AM PDT by livius
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1960 version by John XXIII (which got rid of the Latin word “perfidious” which did not mean “treacherous” as it does in English but “faithless, unbelieving”.

Let us pray also for the Jews: that almighty God may remove the veil from their hearts; so that they too may acknowledge Jesus Christ our Lord. Let us pray. Let us kneel. Arise. Almighty and eternal God, who dost also not exclude from thy mercy the Jews: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people; that acknowledging the light of thy Truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same our Lord Jesus Christ, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, for ever and ever. Amen.

1970 version (prayed in the vernacular Mass):

Let us pray for the Jewish people, the first to hear the word of God, that they may continue to grow in the love of his name and in faithfulness to his covenant. (Prayer in silence. Then the priest says:) Almighty and eternal God, long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity. Listen to your Church as we pray that the people you first made your own may arrive at the fullness of redemption. We ask this through Christ our Lord. Amen.

The new prayer (2008) as written to be prayed in the Latin Mass of 1962 reads as follows:

Let us also pray for the Jews: That our God and Lord may illuminate their hearts, that they acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Savior of all men. (Let us pray. Kneel. Rise.) Almighty and eternal God, who want that all men be saved and come to the recognition of the truth, propitiously grant that even as the fullness of the peoples enters Thy Church, all Israel be saved. Through Christ Our Lord. Amen.

They should have stuck with the ORIGINAL prayer used before 1960 even if it used the word “perfidious” and simply explained the word in a footnote.


4 posted on 06/29/2015 10:07:17 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: marshmallow

One is either with Him or against Him.


9 posted on 06/29/2015 10:32:15 AM PDT by Romulus
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