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Who are the True Muslims? Are the extremists the “true” Muslims, or are the moderates?
American Thinker ^ | 07/11/2015 | Ronald Kimmons

Posted on 07/11/2015 7:08:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

He called out to me as I walked by the pool. “Hey, what’s going on? Do you want a beer?” I politely declined, telling him that I did not drink. “Really? I’ve never met an American who didn’t drink. I have a soda. Do you want a soda?” It was late, and I have never been a very social person, but with my wife and children in South America waiting on my wife’s green card, I had been spending my evenings alone. So I sat down and talked to him.

We will call him Ali. He told me he was an Iraqi living here as a student -- and he was a Shia Muslim from Iraq. He asked why I did not drink. When I said it was for religious reasons, this prompted a long discussion on religion and politics. Despite some criticism of specific actions taken by the United States in the Middle East and elsewhere, he expressed a glowing appreciation of George W. Bush’s decision to topple the Hussein regime. He simply wished that the first Bush had finished the job the first time around. As for the unrest that continued within his country, he blamed that on the other Arab states, who he said were constantly sending operatives into Iraq to protract the violence and disorder in an attempt to protect their own power by showing that democracy did not work in Arab nations.

Ali spoke of the great persecution that the Shia majority of Iraq had endured at the hands of Hussein’s Sunni regime. When I told him of how the Latter-day Saints were driven from state to state -- even at the hands of the state itself -- he was surprised. “I did not think anything like that ever happened in America,” he said.

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TOPICS: History; Islam; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: extremists; islam; moderates; muslims
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1 posted on 07/11/2015 7:08:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

There are no “moderates”.
All muslims are obligated to work for world wide Islamic domination.
Those serious about their religion are the jihadists.
The less serious support the jihadists.
Only the apostates are not dangerous.


2 posted on 07/11/2015 7:13:59 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

RE: Only the apostates are not dangerous.

Well, there sure are a lot of apostates in the USA...


3 posted on 07/11/2015 7:15:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Kill them all, let God sort them out. ;-D


4 posted on 07/11/2015 7:16:40 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: SeekAndFind
There are plenty of peaceful muzzies.

There is no such thing as peaceful islam.

Since I cannot tell on sight the difference between peaceful muzzies and the throat slicers, it is common sense to assume them all to be of the latter variety.

5 posted on 07/11/2015 7:17:36 AM PDT by Jacquerie ( Article V before we can't.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There are lots of people who consider themselves Jews but don’t actually believe in God. They simply view it as a identity they were born into. Its the same for Christians and Muslims as well. They may call themselves a Muslim but they don’t practice or advocate for anything in the Koran


6 posted on 07/11/2015 7:26:06 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Jacquerie

I don’t think the religion that is the most popular on the earth is authentic. It contains guidance that legitimizes and progresses the active killing of others in its advancement, even those of its own orders. The creator of this ‘religion’ was a pedophile as documented in the founding documents. It expounds that women are a commodity and subservient to men. It encourages the deception of others in its progression towards world domination. It has leaders that expound to discourage and remove those abject behaviors but has been unsuccessful over the 1400 years it has been in existence. However, this may also be a deception. Would it be that a god would want killing, pedophilia, slavery, and deception in his honor?


7 posted on 07/11/2015 7:27:52 AM PDT by Herosmith ("Hindsight alone is not wisdom, And second-guessing is not a strategy." - GWB)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll be sure to ask as they are chopping off my head.


8 posted on 07/11/2015 7:28:48 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: SeekAndFind

Wait until they have the numbers like they do in other countries.
That’s in the Koran as well. They are instructed to lie low, when there numbers are sufficient they agitate for Shariah.


9 posted on 07/11/2015 7:32:07 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: SeekAndFind

A major problem with moderate Muslims is that they were born without vocal chords or a spine.


10 posted on 07/11/2015 7:33:37 AM PDT by econjack (I'm not bossy...I just know what you should be doing.)
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To: Herosmith

The guidance for islam did not come from God, think about the nature of Islam that you described and see if you can figure out where it may have come from.


11 posted on 07/11/2015 7:34:07 AM PDT by Lurkinanloomin (Know Islam, No Peace - No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: 4rcane

Left: Muslims who don’t believe in gay marriage and non-violent are Moderates. Christians who don’t believe in gay marriages are extremist


12 posted on 07/11/2015 7:35:33 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: econjack

RE: A major problem with moderate Muslims is that they were born without vocal chords or a spine.

Now let’s not be pointing fingers only at these folks. There are lots of conservatives and Christians in America who are similarly silent.

Otherwise, how could a devout Christian couple’s business be closed and fined $135,000 for simply refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding with no unified national Christian outrage?


13 posted on 07/11/2015 7:37:03 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My dear teacher Asim denounces killers using a verse from the Quran, no one who kills can go to heaven. I saw how moved he was when he took his family to Mecca. He shames me into praying more. (I’m a conservative Catholic.)


14 posted on 07/11/2015 7:37:22 AM PDT by CharlesOConnell (CharlesOConnell)
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To: CharlesOConnell

RE: My dear teacher Asim denounces killers using a verse from the Quran

I wonder why he didn’t denounce his own “Prophet” for being THE example of these killers ...


15 posted on 07/11/2015 7:38:54 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: 4rcane

Sounds like the typical Christian apology to assume Islam a newer version of Christianity, that Jesus and Mohammad are the same. More Western excuse making.

If they do not practice or advocate anything in the koran and live in the Middle East, they are apostates and other musclemen are obliged to kill them. They would also be cultural outcasts, and the religious police would beat them senseless.

... an identity they were born into and cannot leave under penalty of death.

If someone calls himself a Jew, then by Jewish law that person is a Jew, same for musclemen. Obama recites the Shahada in flawless Arabic - which by Islamic law is a declaration he is a musclemen.

If they live in the Middle East, then they pay taxes to the mosque which in turn goes to fund Jihadis - same for Christians in the US, their tax dollars go to fund the US mil.


16 posted on 07/11/2015 7:56:08 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SeekAndFind
Muslims are "moderates until they gain sufficient numbers.

Many of the percentages have increased since this was first published, but the proportions hold true.

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam

The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat Dr. Hammond’s doctorate is in Theology.

He was born in Cape Town in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.  Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamisation begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works: As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States — Muslim 0.6% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1.8% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in: Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8% Philippines — 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana — Muslim 10% India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and on-going militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions “(including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, “the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, a s in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

ry, Terrorism and Islam

The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat Dr. Hammond’s doctorate is in Theology.

He was born in Cape Town in 1960, grew up in Rhodesia and converted to Christianity in 1977.  Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components. Islamisation begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

Here’s how it works: As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States — Muslim 0.6% Australia — Muslim 1.5% Canada — Muslim 1.9% China — Muslim 1.8% Italy — Muslim 1.5% Norway — Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in: Denmark — Muslim 2% Germany — Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7% Spain — Muslim 4% Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France — Muslim 8% Philippines — 5% Sweden — Muslim 5% Switzerland — Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world. When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana — Muslim 10% India — Muslim 13.4% Israel — Muslim 16% Kenya — Muslim 10% Russia — Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and on-going militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia — Muslim 40% Chad — Muslim 53.1% Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions “(including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, “the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania — Muslim 70% Malaysia — Muslim 60.4% Qatar — Muslim 77.5% Sudan — Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh — Muslim 83% Egypt — Muslim 90% Gaza — Muslim 98.7% Indonesia — Muslim 86.1% Iran — Muslim 98% Iraq — Muslim 97% Jordan — Muslim 92% Morocco — Muslim 98.7% Pakistan — Muslim 97% Palestine — Muslim 99% Syria — Muslim 90% Tajikistan — Muslim 90% Turkey — Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrassas are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan — Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100% Somalia — Muslim 100% Yemen — Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, a s in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. — Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

17 posted on 07/11/2015 7:57:53 AM PDT by verga (I might as well be playng chess with pigeons.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The extremist Muslim wants to cut your head off. The moderate Muslim wants the extremist to cut your head off.

The pillars of mohammedumism are commanded, required, obligatory, and not optional. Jihad is the sixth pillar. This is the battle against any and all who oppose mohammedumism.

18 posted on 07/11/2015 8:03:24 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: GingisK

No need to kill them. Send them to the ME on ships. When all muslims are out of the country, flatten every mosque. No more mosques in our country!


19 posted on 07/11/2015 8:13:55 AM PDT by abclily
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To: CharlesOConnell

He shames you into believing his deceptions. The highest aspiration of musclemen males is to follow the example of Mohammad, imitating his life. Your pal, would compare Mohammad to Jesus and you would agree.

FYI: Mohammad personally beheaded 40 Jewish captives, his battle cry was, “Kill, kill, kill.” Mohammad was a warlord; his followers during his time turned the North African coast - the bread basket of Africa (Egypt, Libya, Tunisia) into a semi-arid desert; he was a slave owner. He married a child.

No doubt your pal would tell you of the vile Crusades without mentioning the 523 major battles by musclemen invaders into Europe, or that all of the Middle East and North Africa were Christian.

He would tout the many learned things musclemen created, without mentioning the libraries they looted, the countless scrolls they burned, nor that every thing attributed to musclemen was done by someone else. All the lost classical Western literature was destroyed by musclemen - Dictum: if it is in the koran, then it is superfluous and must be destroyed, anything not mentioned in the koran is anathema and must be destroyed.

Outward appearances have nothing to do with what a musclemen is capable of when practicing his religion.


20 posted on 07/11/2015 8:22:19 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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