Posted on 10/17/2015 8:41:38 AM PDT by ealgeone
There are real apparitions of demons Remember Satan appears as an angel of light Anything that gives glory to anyone but God is not of God. Giving any glory to Mary is not of God but demonic
Every time angels appeared in scripture the first thing the admonished was not to worship them. Any redeemed of God appearing would do the same not ask that they be honored and adored These apparitions are demonic and fool many apparently.
Catholicism continually has to redefine words to explain away their worship of the non Biblical Mary.
You may recall the bush did not change form. As to the other allegation on your part we’ve discussed it sufficiently.
Would the true Mary of the Bible ask for this? No.
Luk_2:19 but Mary kept all these things in her heart and thought about them often.
The above always speaks to me. I think many interactions with God should be kept personal for contemplation. When they are made public and others who listen to their own thoughts adopt it, the point morphs into something that was not intended.................
It has inspired the faithful of Mexico City for almost thirty generations. What could be wrong with that?
Mary said at the first miracle, ‘do whatever He tells you’
Where in the Bible does it say that James is the son of Mary?
"Nowhere" is the correct answer. Stop inserting your own manmade tradition in place of scripture and passing it off as "scriptural".
Sorry you don't like the Greek behind it.
Unless you've got something other than catholic talking points to refute the Greek, you've got nothing....other than man-made catholic talking points.
The crux of the matters what what the “Greek” meant to him who used the word. . After all James and Jesus were not Greeks but Aramaic speaking Jews. You rule out ambiguity where it necessarily exists, ie. The Wikapedia article covered the issue fairly well. Further it reminds us that when the matter rose to the level of controversy in the 4th century, the person who takes your side was an Arian, someone who did not look upon Jesus as a divine person.
Paul is precise in his use of the Greek as were all of the writers of the NT. He was especially detailed in this passage in Galatians. He noted he visited with Peter whom he called Cephas but did not refer to him in any other capacity.
He also noted he didn't visit with any other of the apostles except James, the brother of the Lord. The Greek supports only one conclusion. James is the biological son of Joseph and Mary.
Catholics do not appear to have a fondness for the Greek in these matters as it invalidates their claim to the perpetual virginity of Mary.
I am not familiar with the Wikipedia article you reference.
“This apparition is telling these children to kill themselves as a sacrifice for her.”
No, she didn’t. Neither did St. Paul - Romans 12:1.
And that’s not what John is saying here either - 1 John 3:16.
It’s laughable you would even suggest it.
“There are real apparitions of demons”
Mary is not a demon. If an apparition of Mary is “real”, it cannot be a demon by definition.
“You may recall the bush did not change form.”
You may recall that Jesus did - at least to the eyes of those who saw Him after His Resurrection. John 20, 21, Luke 24. So, again, we see that an anti-Catholic doesn’t know scripture while claiming that something he attacks doesn’t fit scripture.
“As to the other allegation on your part we’ve discussed it sufficiently.”
2,000,000 tests. Passed with flying colors each and every time.
You can personally vouch that each and every one of these actually professed to follow Christ??
“You can personally vouch that each and every one of these actually professed to follow Christ??”
They all had to in order to be baptized. So, yes, I can vouch for every one of them who could speak. And those who couldn’t speak for themselves had their parents and godparents speak for them.
They all had to in order to be baptized. So, yes, I can vouch for every one of them who could speak. And those who couldn’t speak for themselves had their parents and godparents speak for them.
Those who can't speak for themselves, which I take to be babies, are not saved by just being baptized.
Face it, you have no idea of the mindset of all these 2,000,000 people.
Whatever they joined, it was not Christianity if they were devoting themselves to Mary or relying upon Mary in any capacity for their salvation.
Mary is not a demon. If an apparition of Mary is “real”, it cannot be a demon by definition.
It is true that Mary, as we see in tbe Bible, is not a demon. That's the first thing you've said I agree with.
However, the apparition was not Mary. It may have been an image of Mary, but it was not Mary. It had the form of an Aztec female....most certainly not Mary.
Whatever it was would not have requested a church in her honor, or would have told the kids to trust in her.
And please, don't appeal to the "Mary can change to whatever form she needs" argument.
You tried that with the bush and were shown wrong. The bush did not change its form.
Then you tried to attribute the ability of Christ to hide Himself from people to this apparition.
Then you tried to appeal to the flesh and blood changing to bread and wine which is not supported by the Word in any capacity if you read it in context.
Face it. Whatever this was that manifested itself is not Biblical. Nor are any of the other apparitions that claim to be Mary.
What is this bizarre problem catholics and orthodox have with the first eleven chapters of Genesis?
This radical ethnic inculturationism is one of the greatest weaknesses of chrstianity and it comes directly from incarnationism.
Every traditionally chrstian ethnic group sees G-d as "one of us." This leads to different ethnic groups worshiping different "gxds" created in their own images (Latin and Greek churches, Black and white churches, etc.).
The idea that G-d becomes whatever ethnicity we happen to be is loaded with both nationalism and relativism.
“Those who can’t speak for themselves, which I take to be babies, are not saved by just being baptized.”
1 Peter 3:21. I guess you’ve never read that verse? Grace works. It is your understanding that apparently is lacking.
“Face it, you have no idea of the mindset of all these 2,000,000 people.”
No, actually their mindset at conversion was similar to those of all converts so it is something I am quite familiar with.
“Whatever they joined, it was not Christianity if they were devoting themselves to Mary or relying upon Mary in any capacity for their salvation.”
They all became Christians - Catholic Christians. And without a single Protestant in sight. One of the largest conversions in history and something no Protestant could ever hold a candle to throughout history. Deal with it. God will continue to do things you apparently don’t like. You’re not going to be able to stop Him.
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