Posted on 10/24/2015 1:33:30 PM PDT by NRx
This afternoon the Vatican Synod on the Family amended and approved the final document summing up three weeks of chaotic and sometimes poisonous debate – much of it focussing on whether divorced and remarried people should be allowed to receive communion.
The majority view of the Synod Fathers is that they don’t want the rules changed. They especially don’t want one rule to apply in, say, Germany and another in Tanzania. Pope Francis has just given a cautiously worded (but also, alas, rather waffly) address in which he acknowledges as much:
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Sad to see such a delusional analysis. Liberals NEVER lose. They regroup and come back later. with a vengeance. We see this over and over. That’s how we got Obamacare, homosexual “marriage” and half a billion dollars of tax money going to kill babies and sell their hearts and eyes….this AFTER “conservatives” won the House and Senate. Case closed.
Too early to start patting each other on the back.
Sadly, your comment is spot on. No debate is over until the Liberals win. Then it’s totally over: settled science, law of the land, word of God, signed, sealed, delivered.
Well I guess congratulations are in order. But just having the debate shows the liberals will find another angle. They always do.
Time is the friend of the Marxist humanist.
Beware of what they teach and influence in the seminaries. That is where the liberals will strike. They accomplished much in public and religious schools over the past 30 years.
Having an open debate on these issues serves the purpose of promoting error quite nicely. Just as the contraception debate prior to Humanae Vitae did. Undermining doctrine is just as effective as rewriting it, if not moreso.
It’s early in Francis’s papacy. Almost all the current Cardinals and Bishops were appointed by JP2 and Benedict who were very much more conservative. Give Francis another 8-10 years and he’ll get his changes.
After the announcement that the Pope does NOT have a curable brain tumor, I’m not sure he has 8-10 more years.
This is why 2016 is so very important. Case closed.
.....If Pope Francis does not decide to step down first say at age 80?
Settled science, not really.
The Jesuit Francis is bound and determined to have his way.
Including the world “discernment” on marriage and giving authority to the local parish priests let the shacked up receive communion is on the way.
WTF then stop letting them win if they change the rules to win change them back its time to start fighting with backbone if were going to be portrayed as haters and bullies so be it id rather be portrayed and not be than to lay down and do nothing we need to refuse to live on our knees ......but it seems that many have capitulated or worse completely given up !
That is classic reading between the lines...it is no closer now that it ever was.
It seems that this church is more about politics than it is about God and personal salvation. Eventually, the liberals will get their way. Instead of making it about politics, why don’t they simply read the Bible and go with that?
I thought he already acknowledged that he’s a short termer?
He did say “Jesuit”....
The problem is the wealth of the German Church. The number of active Catholics in Germans is shrinking, but the passive ones are still willing to pay the Kirchensteuer. The bishops thus command attention throughout the whole Church.
Unoffically, this game has been going along for many decades. Back in the ‘50s, many priests left it up to let women to decide whether to use birth control or not. The priests would give them absolution even though the women were in a moral quandry.
Three important reports on the Synod on the Family were published by LifeSite today. Since these were written, the final Synod document has been overwhelmingly approved and passed by the Synod fathers and so there is much more crucial reporting to come in the next few days.
With the approval and release today of the final document, the Synod on the Family is finally over. It has been an exhausting challenge for all concerned.
The lengthy document, which is currently available only in Italian, contains numerous surprisingly encouraging paragraphs indicative of the persistence and strength of the orthodox prelates in the Synod discussions. The “progressives” were largely trounced by the faithful bishops who fought attempts to lower the standards of Catholic teaching on marriage, homosexuality and morality in general.
Damian Thompson of the Catholic Herald wrote today that, “I’m going to stick my neck out and say that conservatives basically ‘won’ this synod – they fought successfully behind the scenes and in the debates to block changes to pastoral practice that (a) they believe go against the teaching of the very anti-divorce Jesus of Nazareth and (b) would have outraged the increasingly powerful churches of Africa.”
However, there are still items of serious concern in the document that the progressives insist “leave the doors open” to what they have been seeking. Rorate Caeli has translated and listed the six most controversial passages or “time-bombs” that could be exploited to yet cause much grief to the faith and family life. The Church progressives are hoping that Francis will prevail in the end and impose liberalizations that they and Francis were so determined to obtain from the Synod.
Pope Francis is said to be clearly unhappy with the final result. His closing speech appeared to contain harsh words for those who worked so diligently to defend the traditional undertandings of Catholic teachings on the issues discussed in the synod.
Austen Ivereigh of the Washington Post summed up that the final result of the Synod “appears to open up space for conscience. Both sides can be happy.” Much caution should therefore be exercised against too much optimism over the many excellent passages in the document. The battle is far from over.
Steve Jalsevac LifeSite
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