Lutheran Ping!
Be rooted in Christ!
Posted on 11/16/2015 7:06:16 AM PST by NRx
Your reply is not exactly on point, since the Lutheran woman involved confesses belief that the body and blood of the Lord are present in the elements after consecration.
A lot of protestants, perhaps as much as 30%, believe this to be true of the Catholic Eucharist.
So, whatever “Lutherans believe”, this particular woman believes to a reasonable approximation what Catholics are supposed to believe (many Catholics, as you know, don’t believe it).
The pope’s answer makes some sense in that context.
Lutherans:
More catholic than Catholics!
Why are you getting all worked up over this? Pope JP II did this about 15 years ago. He opened Communion on special occasions to Lutherans — I forget which Synod. It was NOT Missouri or Wisconsin Synod because they did not accept the invitation.
They signed documents (in Switzerland, I think) and we had a joint service and concelebration at our (Catholic) Church with many families having their Lutheran spouses at our service for the first time. There were also services in Milwaukee. We had all of the priests in our County and all of the Lutheran ministers engaged in this prayer and communion service. And choirs representing all of the churches involved.
I’ve never heard another peep about it.
1401 When, in the Ordinary's judgment, a grave necessity arises, Catholic ministers may give the sacraments of Eucharist, Penance, and Anointing of the Sick to other Christians not in full communion with the Catholic Church, who ask for them of their own will, provided they give evidence of holding the Catholic faith regarding these sacraments and possess the required dispositions.
Since Vatican II, non-Catholics already receive communion without conversion....something previously condemned by the Catholic Church.
Be rooted in Christ!
Francis could care less about Catholic doctrine. He could care less if protestants, muslims, hindu, buddist, all came up for Holy Communion. He DOES NOT CARE. This man will go down in history as the absolute worst pope in the last 1,000 years. He takes offense if someone calls him pope.
So far no women priests in the Catholic Church, and so far no openly homosexual clergy. This can not be said in some Lutheran churches, which allow it. There are also some Lutheran churches overseas that allow same-sex marriages.
So far none of these anti-God nonsense is allowed in the Catholic Church.
No,
They believe in two things consubstantiation and transubstantiation at the same time. I doubt that many know this.
Nope, instead the Catholics eagerly embrace pro-abort politicians and shuffle around homosexual molesters.
See, it can go both ways.
Of course, there are 3 different synods who call themselves Lutheran in the US, and only one of them has eagerly embraced the gehys. The other two have consistently refused to do so.
Have you ever had communion in a Catholic mass, although the priest said that it was for Catholics, only? I did that, during a wedding.
Adds to my suspicions that Consecration in a post- Vatican II liturgy may not be valid. Certainly would solve the "those who shouldn't be getting the Holy Eucharist" problem.
Where are you getting this information about the Catholic church? I believe it is mistaken.
Or is it just your opinion? Then say so.....
“Nope, instead the Catholics eagerly embrace pro-abort politicians and shuffle around homosexual molesters.”
Lutherans, as well as other protestant faiths read from a Bible I’m not familiar with. Of course the Catholic Church has sinners, but not official doctrine that codifies sin like protestants. I just wonder what verse they find in the Bible that say two men can get married, women can preach the gospel and openly homosexual men can be ordained as pastors. If you can come up with these verses please let me know.
So, which Bible passages does your religion of catholiciism use to ordain purgatory or declaring the Mother of Jesus as a mediatrix, and essential to Catholics salvation?
Hah. I can’t come up with those verses because they don’t exist. But then again, the LCMS, which I am part of, and which is Lutheran, doesn’t embrace sodomy, women pastors, or sodomite pastors.
My point was that if someone’s going to toss around unfounded accusations against all Lutherans because of the actions of some people who call themselves such, one could easily do the same to all Catholics.
Well, you can look back in the news a bit to see how the Roman Catholic bishops in the US are communing pro-abortion politicians, and I remember the sexual scandal in the 90s very well.
Having said that, my point wasn’t that all Catholics believe in those ugly things. Only one Lutheran synod out of three in the US eagerly embraces the gehy, but I see no small amount of Catholics eagerly piling on all Lutherans the blasphemy of some people who call them that.
My point was that if we were going to keep on slapping Lutherans with the actions of some of them, I could easily dig up some nasty things that were done by Catholics. That particular sword cuts both ways.
Personally, I’d rather that we found enough common ground to stop bashing each other outside of debate halls and started fighting the leftists who want both of us dead.
I never said all Lutheran synods had sold their soul to the devil, just some of them.
Not a Lutheran belief. Neither is transubstantiation. Only a lib Lutheran who had no grounding would go to Catholic communion. It fails on the corporate confession angle.
As a Lutheran, not so sure I’d want to take Communion with a church that still considers Luther a heretic.
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