Posted on 12/01/2015 12:54:30 PM PST by ebb tide
Picture the dialogue:
Roman Judea, circa A.D. 29:
"Master, is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for any cause?" Our Lord Jesus Christ: "There's hunger in Judea, so I won't answer that."
Two thousand years of Church, of the highest intellectual and devotional and artistic achievements in the history of mankind, and all the Holy Roman Church can accomplish now is this utter vacuity? That moral judgments cannot be made "when there are people dying because of a lack of water and hunger"?
Hunger somewhere has always been the predicament of mankind -- this means moral judgments have always been and will always be inappropriate and that Our Lord Himself should never have delivered any (for context, first post here, full interview here).
That’s our Frank!
I left the UMC over this same kind of thing. They say that “orthopraxy is more important than orthodoxy”, “the meaning of scripture is revealed anew to each generation”, “God isn’t finished speaking yet”, “personal holiness cannot happen without social justice”, and “the Kingdom of God is realized when no one goes hungry or is marginalized” and it is ON EARTH because we have to make it happen. To them, Jesus is just Santa Claus, a fictional character used to teach a certain morality.
The replacement of Christ with the Marxist version of “justice” is their mission.
So if this was not a good excuse before, then it's not a good excuse now.
“personal holiness cannot happen without social justiceâ€
Precisely the message of the Moral Majority in the 70’s and 80’s. I always burn liberals with that one. Justice is receiving the proper punishment for your sins.
>> Justice is receiving the proper punishment for your sins.
Progressive Christianity does not believe in sin or punishment. To them, the philosophy and teachings of “the one who came to be known as Jesus, the Christ” (their words, not mine) are adequate to teach you how to live a life of responsibility to others. The only real sin is failure to do that.
I had a lot of discussions with my UM pastor for several years. I could not believe what he was teaching, but he had his message down (after 28 years of saying the same stuff). Our discussions would usually end with him telling me that I am more Calvinist than Wesleyan, which is a great insult in the UMC.
Finally, I spent 6 month studying Calvinism as taught by actual Calvinists and realized that I actually AM a Calvinist.
So, I left and became a Presbyterian. Their theology makes sense and centers on God.
37,000 children (UN) die everyday from simple malnutrition. That’s the world’s morality.
As of this posting, 78,000 babies were murdered in their mothers' womb today and Bergoglio thinks we talk about abortion too much.
Even Calvin wasn’t a Calvinist, just like Wesley wasn’t a Methodist.
Presbyterianism tends to downplay the roles of the Holy Spirit and is uneasy with Scripture when it comes to God having Free Will. That’s what I love about the Bible. It offends everyone’s beliefs. Remember, God said in the Noah story “I repent that I made man”.
I like being a Methodist because they know how to take a beating.
>>Presbyterianism tends to downplay the roles of the Holy Spirit and is uneasy with Scripture when it comes to God having Free Will.
When I was a Methodist, I was taught that too. It’s wrong. I had to learn about Reformed theology from people who teach Reformed theology instead of those who think it is wrong.
I was Reformed. That’s how I know. I kept getting hung up on the verses where God changed His mind.
I was Reformed. That’s how I know. I kept getting hung up on the verses where God changed His mind.
No one who teaches Reformed theology would say that God can’t change his mind.
No one who teaches Reformed theology would say that God can’t change his mind.
actions speak louder than words, especially when the MSM decides to distort remarks off the cuff as if they were dogma.
I have many criticisms of this pope, but he had the guts to visit some of the worst slums here in the Philippines, visit the Visayas which is still in shambles from last year’s typhoon, and now he has visited not just slums but a war zone in Central Africa.
He even visited a township where Muslim refugees were hiding out from the “christian” militias and had the nerve to say they shouldn’t be killing their brother over religious differences.
(although as one who has worked in Africa, I must correct the idea that this is a religious war: fighting in central Africa has more to do with tribal differences than religion per se).
Is this in response to something the Pope said? In future, please put the quote in the little stub at the top. It is very nice to know what is being responded to.
And how many times did Francis preach Christ Crucified to those Muslims?
Are you too lazy to click on the link?
of course he might have been killed if he did that.
but feat of martyrdom did not stop his namesake St Francis from preaching Jesus to the Saladin
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