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A Medieval Antidote to ISIS
New York Times ^ | 12/22/2015 | Mustafa Akyol

Posted on 12/22/2015 2:41:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind

ISTANBUL -- THE recent massacres in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., demonstrated, once again, the so-called Islamic State's ability to win over disaffected Muslims. Using a mixture of textual literalism and self-righteous certainty, the extremist group is able to persuade young men and women from Pakistan to Belgium to pledge allegiance to it and commit violence in its name.

This is why the Islamic State's religious ideology needs to be taken seriously. While it's wrong to claim that the group's thinking represents mainstream Islam, as Islamophobes so often do, it's also wrong to pretend that the Islamic State has "nothing to do with Islam," as many Islamophobia-wary Muslims like to say. Indeed, jihadist leaders are steeped in Islamic thought and teachings, even if they use their knowledge to perverse and brutal ends.

A good place to start understanding the Islamic State’s doctrine is by reading Dabiq, the digital English-language magazine that the group puts out every month. One of the most striking pieces I have seen in it was an 18-page article in March titled "Irja': The Most Dangerous Bid'ah," or heresy.

Unless you have some knowledge of medieval Islamic theology you probably have no idea what irja means. The word translates literally as "postponing." It was a theological principle put forward by some Muslim scholars during the very first century of Islam. At the time, the Muslim world was going through a major civil war, as proto-Sunnis and proto-Shiites fought for power, and a third group called Khawarij (dissenters) were excommunicating and slaughtering both sides. In the face of this bloody chaos, the proponents of irja said that the burning question of who is a true Muslim should be "postponed" until the afterlife.

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TOPICS: History; Islam; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: isis; islam; terrorism
Even a Muslim who abandoned all religious practice and committed many sins, they reasoned, could not be denounced as an "apostate." Faith was a matter of the heart, something only God -- not other human beings -- could evaluate.
1 posted on 12/22/2015 2:41:05 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The main thing they use to recruit is their success militarily and, mainly, the areas they occupy.

We are going to have to fight them there and reconquer areas like Iraq that Obama gave up for nothing.


2 posted on 12/22/2015 2:42:16 PM PST by TigerClaws
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To: SeekAndFind
The false theology of Islam needs to be challenged, and I never hear anybody doing that directly. Mercy is one of the biggest issues, because the Quran talks endlessly about the mercy of God, but offers no explanation. We should be telling those poor damned souls that mercy is conditional on 3 things: 1) asking for mercy, which requires recognizing oneself to unworthy of salvation; 2) BEING MERCIFUL TO OTHERS; and 3) living a merciful life. These teachings are fully Biblical, but anyone can understand that a Perfect Being will of course demand these of believers. When a suicide bomber spends the last 3 seconds of his life calling on merciful Allah, we have to challenge the foolishness of that.
3 posted on 12/22/2015 2:51:36 PM PST by Missouri gal
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To: SeekAndFind

I know I have gained an appreciation for the Crusades over the last few months and years.

Wish I could read the whole article, but I notice he had to throw in “islamophobia” as if it’s just part of the general xenophobia we rubes are prone to.


4 posted on 12/22/2015 2:56:54 PM PST by cicada (God is good)
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To: SeekAndFind

What does the term “mainstream” mean in the context of a religion? Would someone call the Roman Catholic Church “mainstream” because it’s the one of the oldest established and the largest sect of Christianity? Or is strict adherence to the letter of the Christian scriptures “mainstream”, say like Baptists or Quakers. In either case ISIS, a Sunni based literalist adherence to Mohammed’s example and not at all very different from the dominant governing sect in the Islamic heartland (Wahabism) is quite “mainstream”. And one doesn’t need to be an “Islamaphobe” (a newly made up and meaningless word) to recognize it.


5 posted on 12/22/2015 3:19:10 PM PST by katana (Just my opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is interesting the way socialists approach theological concepts but when it comes to Islam they are not the only ones who refuse to approach the issue. That even includes leading Christian clergy including Pope Francis.

Followers of Mohammed not only claim, but truly believe that God has authorized them to kill those who refuse to submit to their version of Gods will.

That is a basic tenet of that religion. A claim which goes unchallanged. While it is understandable for atheists which most socialists are, not to approach that claim on a theological basis but by bombing and killing those who believe in it will not end its practice. Islam as construed with its portrayal of a mercyless evil deity approving using deception and deceit is an abomination which must be discredited and condemed. And that can only be done by attacking its assertions and tenets. Certainly not by deying they do not exist. .

But bewildering why many Christian clergy concerned about quote, political correctness, unquote, refuse to address what an insult to God it is and worse yet are unable to condem then convince and convert its advocates and adhearants they are followers of an evil creed .

The Koran which was not given to Mohammed by God but by some angel .Demanding enforcement of sharia law which draws heavily from the Torah.It is a pseudo religious concoction using monotheistic selected texts, taken and misconstrued from the old (bible) and new testaments.

Both of which cite the Almighty has granted free will to accept or obey his laws and God is the final judge not man: Sodom and Gormora ,and Let he who is without sin cast the stone, are outstanding examples from both books. One deals with sin and Gods decision toward a group the other to an individual, neither is left to man.

Yet followers of Mohammed under the severest of penalties are forbidden to read either which would refute that assertion in a creed which institutionalizes disgusting arab tribal views, observances,and customs. Claiming adhearants are authorized by our Creator to demand submission to it or suffer an ignominious death administered by followers of Islam simply because they answer the call to prayer 5 times a day.

http://www.theusmat.com/islamandfreewill.htm


6 posted on 12/22/2015 4:40:40 PM PST by mosesdapoet (My best insights get lost in FR's because of meaningless venting no one reads.)
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To: mosesdapoet

IOW, Mohammedanism is rude and uncivil.


7 posted on 12/22/2015 4:52:28 PM PST by gasport (Live and Let Live)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s really not for us to give them religious advice.

In any case, Islam has been consistently violent throughout its history, and only subsides when its leaders are so powerless they have no chance of doing anything more than exploiting their own people to stay alive. That means islam only becomes “spriritual” when it has no chance of doing anything else. Which means either that the rest of the world has got to put its foot on the necks of the Muslim leadership, or that Mecca must be destroyed, which would thereby lead to the dissipation of the whole cult.

The Catholic Church could survive without St Peter’s or even Rome, but Islam cannot survive without its moon rock in Mecca.


8 posted on 12/22/2015 5:29:29 PM PST by livius
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To: livius

On September 11, 2019, the missiles flew . . .

Chapter XXII
It seems likely that few, if any, of the people voting Buckman into office had quite envisioned the terrible vengeance he would wreak upon the Islamic world.

A dozen Trident missile-carrying submarines were used for the attacks, six firing from the Atlantic, four from the Pacific, and two from the Indian Ocean. Only about half of each submarine’s load of missiles was fired, a total of one hundred and forty-six missiles and seven hundred and thirty warheads, each in the four hundred and seventy-five kiloton range.

Fifty-five major Islamic cities, and many minor ones were on the targeting list. No major city was hit by fewer than two warheads nor more than four, except Cairo, which received five. Riyadh, Medina and Mecca were each hit by three, spaced some hours apart. In addition to those cities, the entire Nile River Valley saw nuclear weapons essentially walked along its length, a tribute of sorts to the significant Egyptian participation in the Three Cities Attacks, courtesy of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Nine missiles and forty-five warheads were sufficient to scour North Korea free of substantial concentrations of human life. The fourteen largest North Korean cities were attacked, and Pyongyang obliterated.

Marines began landing to either side of the city of Dhahran, headquarters of ARAMCO, within twenty-four hours of the nuclear attacks. It fell with little fighting as did its neighbors, Dammam and Khobar. The local populations, excepting only those critical to the oil industry and their families, were driven into the desert to die. As those remaining locals were replaced with Americans, they too were driven off.

The American presence in Arabia was to end only when the last drop of economically recoverable oil had been taken. By that time, the United States had become energy self-sufficient, once the energy assets of the former Canada were taken into account and a full rationing regime imposed. The triple cities of Dammam, Dhahran and Khobar were destroyed by nuclear weapons once the last Americans had been withdrawn.

It is believed that President Buckman’s guiding principles governing the attacks were that every Islamic nation which had had a national involved in the Three Cities attacks was to be struck, that major Islamic cities were to be destroyed at a rate of not less than ten for one, that Mecca and Medina were to be reduced to the point that no landmark should remain, and that deaths were to be inflicted at a rate of not less than one hundred for one.

It is known that the second and third goals were met. Indeed, no single trace remains of the Kabaa or the Grand Mosque. It is believed that the first and fourth were met as well. Indeed, counting not merely the direct victims of the attacks, but adding to that those who subsequently died of starvation, disease, lack of potable water, lack of medical care for injuries, and the complete breakdown of anything approaching civilization in the Islamic world, it is very likely that total deaths approached eight hundred million, or roughly two hundred to one.

—from the novel Caliphate by Tom Kratman


9 posted on 12/22/2015 5:53:08 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: SeekAndFind
While it's wrong to claim that the group's thinking represents mainstream Islam, as Islamophobes so often do,...

So Muhammad and the Koran weren't/aren't part of mainstream Islam!?

10 posted on 12/22/2015 5:55:10 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason and rule of law. Prepare!)
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To: Max in Utah

I just finished reading that novel a couple of weeks ago. The story got a little stilted in places, but was an overall good read.

For those interested, it’s available from Baen Books on line.


11 posted on 12/23/2015 8:54:39 AM PST by Don W ( When blacks riot, neighborhoods and cities burn. When whites riot, nations and continents burn.)
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To: Don W

Yep, Baen Books, free download

http://www.baenebooks.com/p-748-caliphate.aspx


12 posted on 12/23/2015 4:20:21 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A Medieval Antidote to ISIS...


I was expecting a revival of “Vlad the Impaler”. He stopped the attacks by the Muslims by impaling all of the soldiers who were captured. His name still evokes fear in Turkey hundreds of years later. ISIS soldiers deserve this fate.


13 posted on 12/23/2015 8:49:56 PM PST by Mack the knife
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