I was there as a visitor and not as a counterweight, but it got so far one sided portraying Islam as a religion of peace I had to speak up. -Tom
Maybe getting up and walking out would have sent a good message to them.
Stephen Coughlin has written a monograph on precisely this subject. You can download the PDF version at the bottom of this page. http://unconstrainedanalytics.org/book-release-bridge-building-to-nowhere/
Also there is video.
His book “Catastrophic Failure” is worth the $6 Kindle price. I have both the Kindle and paper book version.
I have had this discussion a few times in recent years though not on such a level as what you experienced.
I have boiled it down into a single sentence....
islam is a scam created by a degenerate to give license for him to indulge his perversions, from murder, rape, to basic theft and everything in between.
The camel is getting its nose under the tent...
I know enough about Islam to know it’s an evil religion. I do not need to know any more about it since 9/11 going forward.
I keep telling people: “ Radical Muslims want to kill us. Moderate Muslims want the radicals to kill us. How do you tell the difference until people are dying? “
Bkmrk.
Yes, the week after 911, the Muslims in our 50,000 employee Healthcare Co lectured us incessantly through HR employee indoctrination about their religion of peace.
Islamists are a insidiously virulent social virus curse.
Our minister arranged several “interfaith” meetings, the first of which was to have a Muslim man speak at our church.
I had to talk to three board members to get the minister to listen to me for more than an initial objection. For example, a prayer in Arabic is blasphemy, for it says Jesus is not the son of god - so their prayer denies the very tenets of our faith. And that I wouldn’t tolerate someone lying to our congregation, saying “Islam is peace” when the translation is “submission”.
The minister and music director brought up that not all Muslims are violent. I said that the refrain “Islam is a religion of peace” is wishful thinking; we want it to be this, but it needs to reform to do that, and it WILL NOT do so if we keep pretending nothing is wrong. And the fact that we have to keep saying it is peaceful over and over again after atrocity after atrocity is proof it is not peaceful for a large number of its adherents, especially given the silence of the so-called peaceful majority in the face of these evil acts. They can’t condemn it, either for fear of their fundamentalist co-religionists will kill them, too, or because Mohammed did all the things ISIS does today like behead critics and have sex slaves.”
They assured me the speaker was progressive, born in America, etc. I said that was fine if he wasn’t going to violate the truth that the church is supposed to represent, but I would still bring my own references to counter it if he defamed the church while standing at the pulpit.
(That is the point of terrorism, commit a few big publicized evil acts so you don’t have to conquer new places; they just roll over when you approach to minimize the pain.)
I was willing to risk my voting membership in the church over this, but it is depressing that I had to talk to three board members for the minister to actually listen more than thirty seconds on this topic from me.
The AV guy says he’ll cut cameras and recording, if necessary, but I said I didn’t care. The truth is more important.
There has been a concerted effort to rewrite history since the early nineties, at least.
Perhaps the ROP folks decided that they had better start not looking like our enemy once the Iron Curtain collapsed... /s
Sometime back then, the UMC had a series of programs on other religions which were apparently not meant to be used for compare and contrast exercises, or for exposing differences, but as vehicles for proponents of the different faiths to essentially proselytize us.
The one I saw on Islam was a complete rewrite of its spread even then. Absolutely full of falsehoods, and the nice Methodists ate it all up, of course.
Since then, college curricula have morphed to the point of unrecognizability concerning the subject, and high school students are encouraged to write papers about how victimized and persecuted the misunderstood Muslim is in our country, and now younger students are pressured into reciting their prayers.
People really need to understand that peace does not mean to a Muslim what it supposedly means to us (any more than we mean what a Russian means when he says it). Words don’t matter, definitions do.
Trump mentioned in this evening’s debate having “many muslim friends”. I commented to my wife, “I don’t”.
And I sure as hell don’t want any.
I read that Muslims were planning to do this with the infidels due to their freak out over uppity Trump and his supporters.
Thanks for going and for asking questions which exposed some of the truth.
Good for you and no, I have not heard about that in this area yet, but would not be surprised to know that it’s happening as there’s a mosque in Syracuse abutting the SU campus.
If anyone has heard of the event below, please post where and when.
“after attending a CHRISTIAN presentation at a local MOSQUE, open to the public. It was sponsored by local religious groups to get a better understanding of CHRISTIANITY”.