Posted on 07/11/2016 6:03:05 AM PDT by Gamecock
I read about 100 articles a month, and my favorite piece last month was Girl in The Picture, by Emily Thomes. Originally posted on The Gospel Coalition, Thomes shares her inspiring story of lesbianism to follower of Christ. Today, Thomes stops by the site to share more of her story and give advice to Christians ministering to those who identify as LGBT. You can read the full interview below.
Emily, thank you for taking time to stop by the site. Ill start broadly. Tell us a little about your life before God saved you.
Before God saved me, I was an incredibly selfish person. I was pretty well liked by most people but had a tendency to overstep boundaries and act impulsively. I did what I perceived was best for me. This lead me to sleeping around, smoking marijuana, and doing other destructive behaviors. Even when it looked like I was helping and serving others, it was actually for my glory and pride. I had very little respect for others but knew how to act upstanding outwardly that few people saw the depths of my poor behavior. In short, my driving factors before conversion were pride and self-exaltation.
Take us through your conversion experience. Do you remember the moment you realized that you had become a Christian?
I do.
I was in my apartment sitting on the floor with the book from the Bible study I was participating in when I realized I was now a believer. I had been in a study only for a couple of weeks and was learning about the attributes of God. Slowly but surely my view of God and of myself began to change and the balance tipped to where God was bigger and mattered more than I did.
I read 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and saw that I was in the will not enter the kingdom of Heaven group but that He could save me and make me new. In those verses I understood my need for Him and His offer to me; it was really incredible.
I remember feeling terrified and at peace at the same time. I realized where I had been until that instant and that scared me. I couldnt believe I hadnt understood before what was so clear to me all of a sudden. But there was no denying it and no suppressing it any longer. I didnt know what I was going to do or what my life was going to be like but I knew what I wasnt going to do. I wasnt going to defy Him any longer. His will was my new life.
Thats very encouraging to hear. Now lets talk about outreach. When you see the church attempt to reach those who identify as LGBT, what are things that encourage you? What are some concerns?
Seeing the church reaching out with truth and love to the lost has been the greatest encouragement. Ive seen Christians be humble and open with their struggles against sin with others. Ive seen them acknowledge their own need for grace with those who have not yet received it. Believers should discuss their own fleshly pull towards sin while making it clear that in Christ we deny ourselves and follow Him.
There are two major concerns I see in how the church reaches out to those in the LGBT community.
The first is when churches speak with no love at all. We cannot approach those outside the church like theyre believers who refuse to repent; theyre lost. We must approach them with the gospel all of it. We explain that He is holy and that we are fallen and in need of forgiveness and a heart change. Both the law and grace must be presented for either to make any sense.
The second concern I see is when Christians cast aside what His word says on homosexuality in attempts to love those who are lost. Gods word stands forever; what He deems as sin will always be sin. To ignore that truth is incredibly unloving. Those who do not repent will not inherit the kingdom of God. Pretending that one can remain in sin and belong to Him is deceptive and cruel.
So what do you think are some of the biggest obstacles in our outreach strategies?
A poor understanding of sin in general, homosexuality specifically, is by far the greatest obstacle Ive seen in our attempts at outreach.
A mindset has developed (whether Christian or not) that homosexuality is linked to identity. Obviously, the LGBT community embraces that wholeheartedly, but most Christians dont realize that they have also embraced that idea. Believers inadvertently reinforce an unbiblical understanding of homosexuality when they treat those who are same-sex attracted as a segregated class of sinners who are more depraved than normal people. In doing so, well-meaning Christians are unwittingly buying into the notion that homosexuality is part of ones identity, much like ones race or gender. Basic Christian principle regarding things like sin, repentance, and obedience are cast entirely to the side when dealing with homosexuality to the detriment of both the lost and those in the faith. An inclination towards a certain sin doesnt mean that one is destined to walk in that sin; it means that they, like all other people since Adam, are born bent towards sin and are in need of forgiveness and a new heart.
Thankfully, our God offers us that in the cross. We can be born again and made new.
What are some practical resources you can recommend to help?
The short answer is the Bible. Weve got to be consistent and biblical in our dealings with all sin.
On another note, some practical tools Ive found helpful are ministries like Rosaria Butterfield and Matt Moore and Desiring God. Butterfield and Moore were both radically saved out of homosexuality and offer much insight into various circumstances and struggles.
So the three links Id recommend are:
Moorematt.org
Rosariabutterfield.com
DesiringGod.org
Finally, Emily, whats your #1 biggest piece of advice for Christians who are trying to reach those who associate as LGBT?
To put it simply, do not elevate or diminish the sin of homosexuality, and be humble and transparent in your own battle against sin.
Lots of theological junk in your post.
:: Do you drink poison, handle snakes and lay hands on people for healing ::
What do these silly things have to do with scripture? I do not believe ^salvation^ is received by baptism. The Holy Spirit is obtained by baptism...salvation is Sola Gratia, Sola Fides. [Eph 2: 8-10]
The rest of the citation is “He who does not believe [in the death and resurrection] is not saved. That ain’t difficult.
I await your reply.
You said taht you have to believe and be baptized to be saved.
Scripture teaches salvation as a free gift, received by faith. No *and baptism* in ANY other portion of Scripture.
So tell me, if someone believes and dies before they are baptized, as they saved? Will they go to heaven?
I didn’t say what was right or wrong, just differences. Sorry I gave that impression. I should stick to my areas of expertise.
Faith in the death and resurrection of Christ is requisite for salvation. Mark 16 is a 4-part statement of Christ Himself: Believe, baptized, unbelief, then death. Do we question His Word? Do we reduce the Gospel of Mark to some human interpretation [Sola Scriptura]. We still attend to the words of Christ Himself from Mark 16.
As Phillip says to the Ethiopian, Acts 8:38 “And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he baptized him.”
The lack of baptism for someone who states they believe is not up to me. Yet, if i knew this person, I would advocate and teach baptism at every opportunity according to Mark 16.
And why should we NOT wait if baptism affords the holy Spirit to the newborn?
OK
I went back and looked at your post, you posted:
:: You said taht you have to believe and be baptized to be saved ::
No I did not say that. Look back at my post and realize that I posted “the very pneuma (breath) of Christ carries these words, “He that believes and is baptized shall be saved.” (Mark 16)
Thereby, I did not say what you used in your reply...Christ said it!
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You didn’t answer my question.
If someone accepts Christ and isn’t baptized before they die, do they go to hell?
And you are going to claim that a passage of questionable origin is Christ saying something?
(1) Faith in believing the suffering and resurrection of Christ saves all mankind. Despising the Faith will send one to Hell at the second coming.
I will continue to assert: The very BREATH OF GOD (ref Genesis 1:1) carries these words, “Whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved.” Mark 16.
Phillip and the Eunuch are the example.
(2) Are you saying that the Gospel [Scripture/Logos] of St. Mark and Genesis 1:1, ff is “of questionable origin”?
OK, metmom, I see your angle.
:: If someone accepts Christ and isnt baptized before they die, do they go to hell? ::
WE DON’T ACCEPT CHRIST! He calls us through the Holy Spirit.
We are dead! In sin.
We can’t ^accept^ God or Christ or the Holy Spirit We are DEAD in our sins, how can we raise ourselves to accept Christ outside of the Holy Spirit who enlightens and creates spiritual life in us?
Do you really think that your natural reason and understanding, tainted by abject sinfulness, can convince you that you and Christ are “really cool friends”?
Yup!
Read the last verses here...
Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.
Leviticus niv
18:22 Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
20:13 If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.
2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.
But there IS hope!!!
1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
Show them what I've posted and them have them explain what they are 'hoping' on.
By now; you know it comes with the territory...
The father shall be divided against the son and the son against the father, the mother against the daughter and the daughter against the mother, the mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
Luke 12:53
You'll find no "and" in ANY of THESE verses:
Micah 6:8He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you?
To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.
John 6:28-29
Then they asked him, "What must we do to do the works God requires?Jesus answered, "The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent."
1 John 3:21-23
Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him.
And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.
James 1:27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses."
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are."
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. "Brothers," he said, "listen to me. 14 Simon has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 "'After this I will return
and rebuild David's fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things'
18 things known from long ago.
19 "It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath."
The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.
24 We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said. 25 So we all agreed to choose some men and send them to you with our dear friends Barnabas and Paul 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 Therefore we are sending Judas and Silas to confirm by word of mouth what we are writing. 28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they gathered the church together and delivered the letter. 31 The people read it and were glad for its encouraging message. 32 Judas and Silas, who themselves were prophets, said much to encourage and strengthen the believers. 33 After spending some time there, they were sent off by the believers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them. [34] 35 But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.
Christ was asked a DIRECT question in John 6:28.
He gave a COMPLETE answer in John 6:29.
From Scripture; just WHY did Jesus insist on being baptized by John?
UH...
..because they ARE Scripture???
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