Posted on 06/06/2017 3:53:36 PM PDT by ebb tide
I will take you up on that bet. No pope will ever OK gay “marriage”.
Schism isn’t the solution. Schism is the problem.
Did you also believe no pope would ever approve of giving Holy Communion to unrepentant adulterers?
Schism?
No.
The Catholic Church stands. The catechism is very clear on homosexuality
There is the Church and there are heretics.
That’s all
Giving Communion to unrepentant adulterers isn’t a doctrine of the Church. As we’ve discussed before, it is a pastoral distortion rooted in strategic ambiguity.
Corrupt as hell.
I’m guessing Pope Francis would change the doctrine if he could. But he can’t. That’s exactly why he depends so heavily on obscure footnotes and plausible deniability.
Let's not dance around Bergoglio's material heresies.
Not only did God destroy Sodom, but Matthew 18:15-17 shows that Jesus taught that Christian congregations are to ultimately expel unrepentant sinners.
In fact, 1 Corinthians 5:13 shows that Paul reflected on Jesus’ teaching of Matthew 18 by instructing the Corinthians to expel the sexual offender.
Paul later clarified in 1 Cornithans 15:33 that bad company corrupts good character.
"Plausible deniability" flew out the window when Bergoglio approved of Schonborn's, the Argentinian, Italian, and Maltese bishops' "interpretation" of AL. Bergoglio is a stealth heretic.
Exactly. It’s a pastoral distortion of doctrine.
Exactly. Bergoglio is a stealth heretic.
catholic teaching seems to always fall short of the theologians here at Frre Republic
Suffice it to say that the catechism teaching is just fine Expelling is a weird term. Inncatholicism admonishing the sinner, instructing the ignorant and keeping good company, including not reading crappy books nor watching bad movies, is sufficient
Not good enough for the protestants who will endlessly seek fault with Catholicism but good enough for many
The Catholic Church stands. The catechism is very clear on homosexuality
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The current version is, yes, but if the present leadership of the Catholic Church has taught us anything, it’s that anything can be changed, if the leadership desires it to be.
And both were probably sodomizing the little boys-—like the pederasts that the pope protects and moves around. For Marxism, they have to destroy the Natural family and make it so you can buy and sell little children and that they have no biological connections for their radical egalitarianism (total dehumanization and destruction of ALL Natural instincts in children.).
They need to force little children to “think” it “natural” that sodomizing others is “good” and “natural” so that they can ERASE the Christian worldview-—the only worldview which rid the world of slavery, pederasty, incest, etc. The Satanists want orgies with the children/babies like in the pagan, Babylonian days so they can eat and drink their blood for eternal youth after they sodomize them (it is the “sex magic” of Crowley and Pike (Freemasonry). Read their books. All the elite bloodlines practice incest and sodomy in their secret societies (for bonding/domination/control). Sodomizing others is NEVER about “love”, only about demonic warped, unnatural desires caused by being abused as children.
Homoheresy by Fr. Oko. The Vatican/Catholic Church was taken over by homosexuals (satanists/”homomafia” as Fr. Oko named them) who were fed into the system by Bella Dodd in the 30s as a communist agent. She admitted it. The Marxists needed to get total control of the Catholic Church-—they owned the Jesuits for centuries.
The homosexualists worship Lucifer. I don’t remember who stated it, but someone major in the Catholic Church stated that the Smoke of Satan entered the Vatican with VII. Pope John Paul I was killed after 30 days because he was going to take back the Vatican Bank from the Marxist/Freemason cartel who took control of it by the 40s or before.
Control the money/banks and you can control the WHOLE system as Jefferson stated, and why the Federal Reserve has ALWAYS been unconstitutional and a Marxist takeover (Rothschild/CFR/Freemasons) of the USA. Rothschild bribed and controlled Pres. Wilson and put him into the presidency by having TR run to destroy Taft’s chances. It was all planned-—the unconstitutional Fed Reserve, the Marxist unconstitutional “income tax”—WWI and WWII-—all funded and controlled by the banksters so that Christian nations would be destroyed so they could get total control of the countries after the wars.
The current leadership of the Catholic Church has changed nothing. That is a farce that the news media has placed in the current events cycle
They have made a lot of statements and have changed nothing
They have made a lot of statements and have changed nothing.
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Other than openly giving communion to non-Catholics, allowing individual synods to offer communion to public adulterers, and working to legitimize same-sex relationships....no....they haven’t done much.
I would submit some food-for-thought. The leadership of our own country has -arguably - changed nothing (regarding the Constitution). Still think that nothing has been changed in practical terms since its inception?
Church leaders have changed nothing.
They call for more immigration and whatever mob-thinking idea suits their purposes but anyone who knows the Word of God can see they are acting heretically, that they go in a bad direction not to be followed
The Church cannot be compared to the US government, but people do it all the time. Catholics in name only in the US do it ridiculously. They say what they think the Church should do and if it doesn’t follow their thinking they reject it. They stop going to Mass and receiving sacraments
They believe that tte outcome will be that the Church will change, the way things change in the US through voting - for and against.
But the Church is not a democracy. It is much greater that that, much older than that. And founded by God Himself.
The Church has not allowed synods to give Communion to anyone outside the Church. Those who have done so in the name of the Church have done so heretically. Tge will pay. The Church doesn’t pay. Church teaching does not change nor does it depend on attendance or any approval or voting. Church leaders either follow Church teaching or they do not. But they pay in the end.
Followers of Church teaching know the Word of God either attend and receive the sacraments like they are required to do or they do not. It’s a choice. But when they do not, they end up lacking the discernment to know where Church leaders are wrong, and to follow the Word of God for themselves, not just their feelings
Followers of the Constitution know what it says they know when leaders are wrong. Whe people don’t follow the Constitution the Constitution doesn’t change. The country could change, though. The leadership can change the basis of what people believe it to be and change the country, throwing out the Constitution by mob rule which was about to happen with Hillary the Constitution depends on people to defend it
The Church always has God to defend it. It will always be there it cannot change. The leaders have not changed a thing. You cannot point to a single line in the catechism that they have changed.
This Country has God to defend it as long as people in it pray for Him to defend it
Two different things
“The Church has not allowed synods to give Communion to anyone outside the Church.”
and
“The leaders have not changed a thing. You cannot point to a single line in the catechism that they have changed.”
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Bergoglio [The HIGHEST leader in the RCC] doesn’t seem to think very highly of the Catechism on this point as he absolutely HAS allowed Holy Communion to be given to non-Catholics (in this case Finnish Lutherans). This happened at the Vatican.
Ok. A two day debate with another anti catholic freeper
Your statement says in itself that he hasn’t changed the Catechism. He has not.
The Church will always withstand such things It is bigger than people and bigger than one person
A not so casual reading of scripture will tell you that wherever sodomists are, Our Father will not be. If you allow “the dogs” in your camp, or “the price of a dog”, payment for homosexual prostitution, “I will not be with you.” So Father will not help during times of war, peace or in worship if the Sodomites are there. What could go wrong?...sarcasm off....
A not so casual reading of scripture will tell you that wherever sodomists are, Our Father will not be. If you allow “the dogs” in your camp, or “the price of a dog”, payment for homosexual prostitution, “I will not be with you.” So Father will not help during times of war, peace or in worship if the Sodomites are there. What could go wrong?...sarcasm off....
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