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To: ealgeone
"Our Lady requested a statue be made of her as she appeared to Mother Mariana: holding the infant Jesus in her left arm and a crozier and keys in her right hand. Exactly how Roman Catholicism views Mary and Jesus.

Big Mary...little Jesus."

If that were true, Catholics would only have statues of a baby Jesus. But Catholics mostly have images of Jesus as an adult. Jesus was a baby at one time, and when he was he was still no less God. When Christians have a representation of him as a baby, it's to make a particular point about something.

"The Mary of the New Testament would not have requested an idol be made of her in such a manner."

It's not an idol if one doesn't believe it is a deity. It's merely a remembrance of someone we hold in high esteem. Catholics do not believe Mary is divine, and certainly don't believe that statues of her are divine.

"Both OT and NT teaches we are to be devoted to God only."

I am devoted to my parents, my children, and my wife. God does not forbid being devoted to those we love. Catholics love Jesus's mother as he does, as should you.

7 posted on 06/09/2017 7:38:40 AM PDT by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: fidelis
But Catholics mostly have images of Jesus as an adult.

I have many Roman Catholic relatives, but I have never seen a picture of Jesus and Mary together where Jesus is an adult, especially one where He is on the cross with Mary at the foot of the cross. Have you ever seen such art or iconography?

9 posted on 06/09/2017 7:55:34 AM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: fidelis

**But Catholics mostly have images of Jesus as an adult.**

That all look exactly alike, since he posed for the artists right?

Mary also?

(sigh)


14 posted on 06/09/2017 9:11:49 AM PDT by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....Do you believe it?)
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To: fidelis
Catholics do not believe Mary is divine, and certainly don't believe that statues of her are divine.

Then why do so many Cathloics believe—falsely, of course—that Mary was somehow without sin?

"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" - Romans 3:23

39 posted on 06/09/2017 6:49:09 PM PDT by sargon ("If we were in the midst of a zombie apocalypse, the Left would protest for zombies' rights.")
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To: fidelis; ealgeone

“If that were true, Catholics would only have statues of a baby Jesus. But Catholics mostly have images of Jesus as an adult.”

Good point, you still have a dead jesus that’s still hanging on a “roman” cross.

My Jesus is alive and well sitting at the right hand of God the Father.

Jesus was a baby at one time, and when he was he was still no less God. When Christians have a representation of him as a baby, it’s to make a particular point about something.”

Funny thing is most statues and pictures of fake mary and jesus is one with and adult mary and a baby jesus... you know so when you ask her for something baby jesus must obey his mother right???

“It’s not an idol if one doesn’t believe it is a deity.”

“All the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.” -Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop, d. 667 AD

“With reason did the Most Holy Virgin predict that all generations would call her blessed, for all the Elect obtain eternal salvation through the means of Mary.” -Saint Ildephonsus, Bishop, d. 667 AD

I have great doubts about the salvation of those who do not have special devotion to Mary.” -Saint Francis Borgia, 1510-1572 AD

“If anyone does not wish to have Mary Immaculate for his Mother, he will not have Christ for his Brother.” -Saint Maximilian Kolbe, Martyr, 1894-1941 AD

“Always stay close to this Heavenly Mother, because she is the sea to be crossed to reach the shores of Eternal Splendour.” -Saint Padre Pio, 1887-1968 AD

If your religion claims that grace flows through her then she is deity IAW the church of rome. You are a bad rc and apparently don’t believe in the rcc infallible.

“I am devoted to my parents, my children, and my wife. God does not forbid being devoted to those we love. Catholics love Jesus’s mother as he does, as should you.”

As we protestant’s love our family, but we don’t worship, bow, crown, call them mother of a god, light candles to them, or think that grace can or does flow through them.

Facts verses excuses


40 posted on 06/09/2017 9:01:17 PM PDT by mrobisr
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