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To: Trad Bishop
Are you trying to tell me that the only hierarchs responsible for Vatican II are the ones who actually attended it??? You have got to be kidding me. JPII CODIFIED Vatican II in his 1983 Code of Canon Law, Sacrae Discipline Leges:

Therefore, the new Code, which is promulgated today, necessarily required the previous work of the Council; and although it was announced together with the Ecumenical Council, nevertheless it follows it chronologically, because the work undertaken in its preparation, since it had to be based upon the Council, could not begin until after completion of the latter.

and:

The instrument, which the Code is, fully corresponds to the nature of the Church, especially as it is proposed by the teaching of the Second Vatican Council in general, and in a particular way by its ecclesiological teaching. Indeed, in a certain sense, this new Code could be understood as a great effort to translate this same doctrine, that is, the conciliar ecclesiology, into canonical language. If, however, it is impossible to translate perfectly into canonical language the conciliar image of the Church, nevertheless, in this image there should always be found as far as possible its essential point of reference.

and there is more where that comes from and this doesn't even touch on his "ecumencial" Assisi prayer gatherings, kissing the book of a false diabolical religion, etc.

IMO, anyone who can assert that JPII is not a man of the Second Vatican Council is not someone I can take seriously as a "Traditional Catholic" let alone a "Traditional Bishop".

88 posted on 06/13/2017 4:19:04 PM PDT by piusv (Pray for a return to the pre-Vatican II (Catholic) Faith)
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To: piusv

It is very interesting that the source that you quote says that the new Code or Canon Law was based on the Council. Redoing the Canon Law is at least a twenty year process. And you want a person, who never even attended the Council to take responsibility, even though he did not attend, and was all but sequestered in a communist country, just because he got elected Pope in 1978, the Council having ended in 1964, and twenty four years later, you want a Pope who could not possibly have had an affect on its writing as a newly elected Pope, he was even shot in 1981, you want to lay it on his door step and make him totally responsible for it three papacies later! It seems as though you have already assigned blame and by the amount of time between when I posted this and your answer, there was not enough time for you to check out even one of my references. You have nothing but bad things to say about the people in Rome but you swallow every lie they want to tell you. If that’s your idea of consistency, I’ll go to my judgement and defend my own idea of consistency. You’re stuck with them by your own choice. I am not.


89 posted on 06/13/2017 5:10:11 PM PDT by Trad Bishop
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