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1 posted on 08/24/2017 12:04:15 PM PDT by amessenger4god
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and start trusting every Scripture for what they plainly say

Exactly. Like, "This is my Body"

Couldn't be more clear!

2 posted on 08/24/2017 12:08:03 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is EVIL and needs to be eradicated)
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To throw it back to the author, Rev 1:1 includes “...what must soon take place.”

Many make the argument that “soon” is in the context of “a thousand years are as a day to the Lord and a day as a thousand years”. But Revelation is clearly talking about “soon” from a human perspective.

It is no longer “soon”. That has long ago passed.


3 posted on 08/24/2017 12:10:45 PM PDT by robroys woman
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Well I guess we will find out


4 posted on 08/24/2017 12:11:18 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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When Theological or faith issues come up, why of course I always turn to "Gary".

Who doesn't, in this day and age?

6 posted on 08/24/2017 12:14:43 PM PDT by humblegunner
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“Unsealed.org features world news, Christian news, and prophecy updates, all pointing to the imminent return of Jesus Christ and the end of the age. “

Imminent means something other than what you think it does


8 posted on 08/24/2017 12:15:42 PM PDT by Nifster (I see puppy dogs in the clouds)
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9 posted on 08/24/2017 12:22:28 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (Maxine Waters for House Minority Leader!!)
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I examine near term (fewer than 43 days from today) prophecy in detail at “The Rescue of the Bride” http://october-5-2017.com
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The gathering of believers who comprise The Great Multitude in White Robes (Revelation 7:9ff) will take place between September 5, 2017 and October 5, 2017. September 5, 2017 is the start of The Great Tribulation. October 5, 2017 is Sukkot, also known as the Festival of Tabernacles, also known as the Festival of Ingathering.
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The Great Multitude in White Robes come out of The Great Tribulation (Revelation 7:14), so their gathering cannot occur before the start of The Great Tribulation (September 5, 2017).
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The Great Multitude in White Robes will be in the throne room in heaven no later than the Festival of Ingathering on October 5, 2017. Look at what they are holding in their hands - palm branches! Palm branches are required for the Festival of Ingathering (Leviticus 23:40).
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The Great Sign of the Woman appears on September 23, 2017 exactly at sunset in Jerusalem - exactly at the end of Rosh Ha Shanah, exactly at the time of the blowing of “the last trump.” [The two (2) day observance will start one day late this year.] This may be the “rescue/rapture” date. We see the first evidence that the “rescue/rapture” has occurred when “The Great Multitude in White Robes” [Revelation 7:9ff] appears in the throne room of Yahuah (God) twelve (12) days later just after the opening of the Sixth Seal on October 5, 2017. These events allow us to unlock the timeline of the Book of Revelation.


11 posted on 08/24/2017 12:33:39 PM PDT by TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed (Yahuah Yahusha)
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The responses on this thread will be 100% living proof that Peter was correct almost 2000 years ago when he penned 2 Peter 3:3-5.

Imminent means just that. We’re living in the last days now and the folks who least expect it (about 98% of the world) will be caught with their pants down when it happens.


12 posted on 08/24/2017 12:33:53 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Americans are modern day Amorites ripe for destruction)
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For later


13 posted on 08/24/2017 12:34:03 PM PDT by servantboy777
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Well, without setting a date, as I am wont to NOT do; let me relate a little personal story.

[What I want to talk about now is the ad infinitum repeat of “no one knows the day or hour”]

This became a somewhat-recurring mantra of a friend, who really, really, really hung with me during the tough times, which have been many lo these past few years. Especially a few years ago and before that.

Not long after popping this mantra, this person began telling me how they were starting to believe some of the stuff Obama said. Eventually, it appeared that this person was a closet Hillary supporter - much to my shock given what we know about both Obama and Hillary (he is not as well-informed on them - my guess trusting the MSM).

We have not spoken for over a year and a half.

Yes, this particular mantra caught my eye, alright. Especially since this mantra is one of the last things I remember him mentioning rather adamantly over the phone in one of our last conversations.


14 posted on 08/24/2017 12:35:04 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ....)
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Thanks for posting this excellent essay.

While I am not a pre-trib rapturist (I’m pre-wrath), I agree with he arguments presented here.


24 posted on 08/24/2017 1:38:58 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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I agree generally, not specifically:

We see through a glass darkly, but then face to face.


40 posted on 08/24/2017 2:28:31 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - JRRT)
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“The Revelation 12 Sign” Happened 2000 years ago.

It was a sign to Daniel's disciples, who were knowledgeable in the scriptures, and understood Biblical astronomy.

John was told to write what was, what is, and what is to come. Chapter 12 of Revelation is a parenthetical look back in time.

Yeshua’s disciples were told exactly which day on the Biblical calendar he would return, but not which year. Tishri 1 is the Biblical date. Dusk is the approximate Jerusalem time, as that is when the new moon of Tishri will appear in the darkening sky.

We now also know the year: 6024.

If you have no desire to know, perhaps you have no desire to know the rest of what the scriptures tell us either. You probably want to live under the mushroom of the “Saved by Grace” lie too.

By the grace of Yehova, Yeshua’s bride will be saved by their faith, which will continue to the end, as is required to be saved at the day of Trumpets (Tishri 1).
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72 posted on 08/24/2017 3:15:58 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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I clicked onto this thread hoping to read some intelligent discussions about end times prophecy...and all I got was the meaning of “is”.


97 posted on 08/24/2017 5:21:49 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (The truth of liberalism is the stupid can feel smart, the lazy entitled, and the immoral unashamed)
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Great thread - thank you very much for posting it.


104 posted on 08/24/2017 6:06:28 PM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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107 posted on 08/24/2017 7:23:47 PM PDT by Maudeen (This world is not my home.)
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What I want to talk about now is the ad infinitum repeat of "no one knows the day or hour" (Matt. 24:36, Mk. 13:32) as an argument against the Revelation 12 Sign.

Mat 24

34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mark 13

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.

Luke 17

24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Lightning is a bright flash across the entire heavens: an epiphany, electricity.

"This generation" - has it ever been up to anything good? A KJV search on the phrase ought to enlighten anyone actually interested.

It's the evil, wicked, faithless, perverse, adulterous generation of vipers.

This generation is that generation. Heaven and earth aren't passing away yet. Of that day and hour (of the passing away of heaven and earth), no man knows.

But as for the Days of Noe, there's a date: 17th day of the 2nd month. The flood of light (reality, truth) is going to destroy people. Light travels a bit faster that water, so beware, because Noah entered the ark one week out, rounded up the animals, and then entered for the long haul, sealing the door shut.

109 posted on 08/24/2017 7:48:41 PM PDT by Ezekiel (All who mourn(ed!) the destruction of America merit the celebration of her rebirth.)
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I also want to point out that the Great Sign is not happening in a vacuum.

Except, you know, it would be in vacuum.

120 posted on 08/25/2017 8:21:33 AM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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134 posted on 08/27/2017 5:01:25 PM PDT by SamAdams76
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