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I Never Became Straight. Perhaps That Was Never God’s Goal.
Christianity Today ^ | SEPTEMBER 20, 2017 | RACHEL GILSON

Posted on 09/29/2017 12:39:24 PM PDT by Gamecock

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To: Olog-hai

Where’s that from? Is it from the author?


41 posted on 09/29/2017 3:41:38 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Olog-hai
"In their state in line" = "in their state in life." QWERTY, ergo typo.
42 posted on 09/29/2017 3:43:29 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Unless I am mistaken, I'm infallible.)
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To: Truthsearcher

What about Matthew 5:28?


43 posted on 09/29/2017 3:44:28 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: NetAddicted

What about it? It doesn’t seem to say anything about who one must be sexually attracted to.


44 posted on 09/29/2017 3:47:56 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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To: Truthsearcher

I understand that. But she still does not feel the need to actually overcome that attraction altogether, and claims that scripture says nothing against it. The first part of 1 Corinthians 6:11 definitely puts such attraction in the past.


45 posted on 09/29/2017 3:51:26 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: NetAddicted

Yes. The second and third paragraphs of the article.


46 posted on 09/29/2017 3:52:05 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Truthsearcher

It says you’ve committed a sin if you desire the sin. G-d proclaimed homosexuality a sin, ergo....


47 posted on 09/29/2017 3:56:48 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Olog-hai

I can’t believe I missed that part the first tine I read it. No wonder she was led into homosexuality.


48 posted on 09/29/2017 3:59:51 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I never implied that “eounouchos” equaled “homosexual” either. (I’ve come across some liberals that did, though, trying to justify homosexuality.) However, the context of the last part of Matthew 19:12 has to be that of the unmarried man when Deuteronomy 23:1 (every word of God) gives the whole context, rather than a man who is physically castrated or emasculated of his own will.

The word “chaste” or “chasten” in the Bible is translated from different words, e.g. Greek “paideuometha” (e.g. 1 Corinthians 11:32), meaning to discipline, or also Greek “hagnos” (2 Corinthians 11:2), which is related to “hagios” (holy), and the meaning here is to be clean and pure. So just like we are supposed to purge even the lust of adultery from ourselves, the feelings towards what is consistently referred to in scripture as “abomination” absolutely has to go.


49 posted on 09/29/2017 4:04:55 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: NetAddicted

Living in SF for her formative years was no help, by itself.


50 posted on 09/29/2017 4:05:29 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“There is no Biblical commandment to be heterosexual.” That statement is absolutely wrong!
Last part of Romans Chapter One Vs 24-32. There are others I will post to you....not enough time right now... in 24 hrs.


51 posted on 09/29/2017 4:05:38 PM PDT by Ambrosia
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To: Gamecock

Thank you for sharing this article. I was an excellent read.


52 posted on 09/29/2017 4:26:03 PM PDT by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: NetAddicted

Usually its a bad relationship with the Dad that screws things up. Hard to say what happened here but I think she has issues she needs to address.


53 posted on 09/29/2017 4:29:09 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Olog-hai
The lust df adultery (or homosexual lust, for that matter) is an interior act consented to.

It is an inward sin of deliberately gratifying fantasy.

I don't think the author of this article said she was consenting to interior acts of lust. She just said she was attracted to women, but faithful to her husband.

Many chaste spouses could say the same, and they are not sinning.

I suspect that "lead us not into temptation" in such a case may involve transformation of prurient interest into friendship interest. Many women have had deep friendships of lifelong devotion with other women, and many men with men, without it being based on genital itch.

Think of men's deep friendships based on shared military service (especially battlefield experience); or the esprit of the sports team; the bonding of men in music whether it's a rock band, a chapel choir or a barbershop quartet; or the brotherhood which often arises from sharing any all-male, non-sexual enthusiasm or commitment.

Our present sin-sponsoring society tries to confuse men (and especially young men) and tell them it's sexual, but it's not.

Even truer of women, I think, who often have emotional bonds with each other which fill a need which men cannot fill or even relate to. Not all women are like this, but definitely some.

These days a Ruth-and-Naomi lifelong devotion is likely to be interpreted as incipient lesbianism. But it is not.

I agree that if she is entertaining lustful thoughts (or they are entertaining her!), she is sinning.

This goes beyond her own remarks, but I think it's far more likely, that she is realizing that going from "Warm" to "Cold" may not be what the Lord wants from her. He does want her to be free of lust.

What do you think?

54 posted on 09/29/2017 5:41:07 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("For peace within your gates, speak truth and judge with sound judgment." - Zechariah 8:16)
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My parents met at a gay nightclub in San Francisco. My mother just wanted a safe place to dance. My father was the security guard. He abandoned my mother and me after abusing both of us physically. I didn’t even know he existed until I was 10, by which time my mother had remarried.
55 posted on 09/29/2017 5:44:14 PM PDT by Trillian
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Well, I still have the author’s headline in mind, “I never became straight” and then claiming that it’s not God’s goal to make her straight when the Bible seems to say it is, especially by 1 Corinthians 6:11 being in the past tense.

Comparing that title with Matthew 5:28, it’s a bit hard to square, even in a gay context.

The author had a very hard beginning. Living in San Francisco for starters, her parents meeting in a gay club, her father abusing her, her mother being into pornographic material (not specified what kind); I’ll say that she’s putting up a valiant and strenuous fight, but she does have to go further, that’s all.


56 posted on 09/29/2017 5:49:12 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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My parents met at a gay nightclub in San Francisco. My mother just wanted a safe place to dance. My father was the security guard. He abandoned my mother and me after abusing both of us physically. I didn’t even know he existed until I was 10, by which time my mother had remarried.

Looks like her dad was a problem.

57 posted on 09/29/2017 6:06:26 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Trillian

She’s come to the Lord, but I think she still has issues she needs to deal with.


58 posted on 09/29/2017 6:07:09 PM PDT by Jim W N
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To: Olog-hai

OK, then. Let’s pray for her. I’m going to bow my head right now.


59 posted on 09/29/2017 6:18:36 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you: to act justly, to love tenderly, and to walk humbly with your God)
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To: NetAddicted

God also declared fornication a sin, so what... it just mean we are all sinners.


60 posted on 09/29/2017 7:20:18 PM PDT by Truthsearcher
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