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Taking Atheism Seriously
https://evolutionnews.org/2017/11/taking-atheism-seriously/ ^

Posted on 12/27/2017 8:22:26 AM PST by truthfinder9

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To: dhs12345
John 3:5

Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

41 posted on 12/27/2017 2:39:20 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dhs12345

“Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you” (Jn 6:53)


42 posted on 12/27/2017 2:40:13 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

John 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

A priest cannot offer salvation whether by ritual or not.


43 posted on 12/27/2017 3:16:12 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Simon Green

Agnosticism is something you’d look at as different than either strong or weak here? Interesting how you put it.


44 posted on 12/27/2017 3:24:40 PM PST by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: Salvation

Ephesians 2:8-9

-8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.


45 posted on 12/27/2017 3:43:01 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: truthfinder9

Atheists should not be allowed to hold public office. It also should be legal for employers to fire atheists for being unbelievers and to ask on job applications whether applicants are atheists.


46 posted on 12/27/2017 3:47:21 PM PST by GodAndCountryFirst
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To: dhs12345
The key here, is that the Sacraments are binding on us, but they are not binding on God.

Jammed into paragraph form: Christ instituted the Sacraments for our Salvation, just as He instituted the Church for our Salvation, just as He inspired members of the Church to write and collect, copy and canonize the Scriptures for our Salvation, etc. etc.

If you know that Christ instituted Baptism for your Salvation, the you are morally obliged to be Baptized because, of course, you are morally bound to do anything and everything receive God's rich spiritual gifts. This is God's will. Doing God's will is necessary for salvation.

However, if you did not know that God's will is for you to be Baptized, to receive the Eucharist, to read the Bible, etc. etc. then God can still save you. God is the Savior. Savior is His middle name. He can save anyone He wants too, whether they ever heard of Him or not.

He is the (Link) true Light that enlightens every man who came into the world. Read that link. Enlightens! Every man!

(He also says He was rejected by His own, and you can reject Him. Anyone can reject His light. Don't do that!)

So, as for us, we NEED to receive with joy and gratitude the Sacraments which Christ gave us that we might be saved. (John 6:53 KJV "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.")

Note that "verily, verily." Contemporary English: "I AM SERIOUS."

This is your duty and your salvation.

But if you didn't even know that: well, He is not bound by any rules. He rescues the 'poor in spirit' and gives them the Kingdom of Heaven. Guaranteed. He gives mercy to the merciful. Guaranteed. He calls the peacemakers God's children. He lets the pure of heart see Him. He won't mess up, won't miss one person who is willing to take His hand and walk in the Light.

As for "inserting a person between God and man": have you never heard that we are all members of the Body of Christ?

Tagline.

47 posted on 12/27/2017 4:27:14 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you--- the head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sorry. Works as spelled out the Sacraments will not get you into Heaven. Including an intermediary, or an interpreter, between you and God is not good either.

Sorry, I do not want to offend you.


48 posted on 12/27/2017 5:22:30 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: Mrs. Don-o; dhs12345

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>> “The key here, is that the Sacraments are binding on us, but they are not binding on God.” <<

What is a “sacrament?”

Nowhere in the word of Yehova is anything defined as a “sacrament.”
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49 posted on 12/27/2017 5:28:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: dhs12345
I don't see why you call His sacraments “works” in the negative sense, when they are His works. Why would you feel free to exclude His works?

And as for intermediaries or interpreters, what about those who are appointed and called by God?

Why would you feel free to exclude His apostles and shepherds?

No, you don't offend me. But you do puzzle me greatly.

50 posted on 12/27/2017 5:31:43 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you--- the head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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To: editor-surveyor

A sacrament is an outward sign instituted by Christ to give grace. Jesus Himself is the living sacrament of God, in that sense. Have you not seen nor believed in His outward signs?


51 posted on 12/27/2017 5:34:48 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you--- the head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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To: truthfinder9
This is a theme with militant atheist bloggers: They preach an ideology responsible for more violence than any known to man, and they excoriate theists for the atrocities committed in God’s name. But, when it comes to atheist atrocities, militant atheists are silent.

I was wondering if the author would mention communism, though he doesn't do so by name.

I've seen the behavior described here from militant atheists years before "militant atheist bloggers" ever existed. I don't view the double standard in itself as an invalidation of atheism, but the double standard says something about its wielders, those masters of logic and rationality.

52 posted on 12/27/2017 6:10:42 PM PST by Lonely Bull ("When he is being rude or mean it drives people _away_ from his confession and _towards_ yours.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Oh, this is very bad. Much of what you are saying, including the Sacraments, is a church creation.

Who gives the Church leadership the right to deify a person? Are they on the same level as God? Are they equal to God... maybe in their own minds. Very, very bad.

53 posted on 12/27/2017 6:43:39 PM PST by dhs12345
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Whst? Deify a person? The Church doesn’t deify anybody. You are misinformed.

We’re all servants. There is but one Master.


54 posted on 12/27/2017 6:46:32 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you--- the head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
And which person(s) in the Church hierarchy decide if a person is a Saint? And when deemed a saint, encourage its members to pray to the this person.

If you don't understand how bad this is then I doubt that I will be able to convince you of anything else.

As they say, good luck with that.

55 posted on 12/27/2017 7:05:10 PM PST by dhs12345
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The Church doesn’t “put” people in Heaven. God does. Historically, the Church set criteria for considering a person go be a saint, IN ORDER TO CURB the kind of popular enthusiasm that wants to venerate Jack Kennedy, Elvis Presley, Princess Diana, and you dear Aunt Maisie and Uncle Cliff.

To be a “canonized” saint, there are supposed to be actual miracles, which would serve as signs from Heaven attesting to Divine favor, as well as evidence of a life of heroic virtue.

I notice that non-Catholic funeral services pretty much award instant canonization to everyone upon medical proof of death.

I rather think humbly seeking confirmation from Heaven to be a more prudent course.


56 posted on 12/27/2017 7:36:24 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you--- the head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Sorry, too presumptuous. Sets the criteria... yikes. Again, we don't set the criteria, only God does that. It just reaffirms why I am protestant.
57 posted on 12/27/2017 9:01:43 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: dhs12345

The Sacraments were instituted by Christ.


58 posted on 12/27/2017 9:12:24 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dhs12345
Please read these FR links to help you understand the process of sainthood.

How Many Miracles are Required to Canonize a Saint?
Saints [Catholic, Orthodox, Open]
SAINTHOOD 101: Rules for Becoming a Saint [Catholic Caucus]
The Process of Becoming a Saint (Canonization) [Catholic Caucus]
Pope Lists Criteria for Causes of Canonization

59 posted on 12/27/2017 9:13:54 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: dhs12345

Who do you think does those miracles that lead to canonization?


60 posted on 12/28/2017 4:23:47 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (The eye can't say to the hand, I don't need you--- the head can't say to the feet, I don't need you.)
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