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Church Splits Serve A Higher Purpose...
https://billrandles.wordpress.com/2018/06/15/church-splits-serve-a-higher-purpose/ ^ | 06-13-18 | Bill Randles

Posted on 06/15/2018 4:41:29 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles

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1 posted on 06/15/2018 4:41:29 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles
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Watch for a BIG church split between those who want to continue mixing grace and law, preaching the ministry of death and the Ten Commandments versus ministry of the Spirit, the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ without the law.

It’s already happening.

In the next few decades, watch God’s Grace Revolution, Jude’s prophetic “earnestly contending for the faith that was once delivered to the saints”, to capture the church and encircle the globe and a massive worldwide incoming of souls before Christ comes for his saints.


2 posted on 06/15/2018 4:52:19 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: pastorbillrandles
Yes, it's true that the Lord works all things, including church splits, for our good. However, to say that church splits are His will would be a lie. The Lord's will is that we (His body) be one as He and the Father are one.

In a similar vein, there can be circumstances that justify a divorce. However, divorce is not the Lord's will.

3 posted on 06/15/2018 7:29:16 PM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord

I didn’t say that church splits are the Lord’s will. Everybody in Christ already knows that the LORD has made us all one. Do you really think we need to be told that church splits and divorce are wrong?


4 posted on 06/15/2018 7:44:10 PM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusale)
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To: Jim 0216
Watch for a BIG church split between those who want to continue mixing grace and law, preaching the ministry of death and the Ten Commandments versus ministry of the Spirit, the preaching of the gospel of the grace of Christ without the law.

One could argue that the big church split occurred when the Protestant Reformation proclaimed the five solas:

- Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone")
- Sola fide ("by faith alone")
- Sola gratia ("by grace alone")
- Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone" or "through Christ alone")
- Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone")

5 posted on 06/16/2018 5:00:41 AM PDT by JesusIsLord
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To: JesusIsLord

What was the Protestant Reformation all about? Justification by faith not justification by the law.

The Grace Revolution reveals that the Gospel of the Grace of Christ teaches that we are saved and kept BY GRACE through faith, not the law.


6 posted on 06/16/2018 8:24:08 AM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: pastorbillrandles
Excellent observations. Here's a true-life case-in-point:

In 1970 the pastor of Sierra Madre Congregational Church (near Pasadena CA) decided he had become an atheist. The congregation left in droves, went across the street and formed a new church, Bethany, which thrives to this day.

Meanwhile, the small remnant hired the youth pastor from Pasadena's Lake Avenue Congregational Church, Richard Anderson, who on his first Sunday preached to sixteen people including his wife and three sons. He retired recently after forty years of leading over 1,000 people to the Lord just by himself.

Moreover, his longtime Evangelism Minister, Dr. Hugh Ross, eventually founded Reasons to Believe (Reasons.org), which conservatively is responsible worldwide for leading at least one million to saving faith in Jesus.

7 posted on 06/16/2018 9:20:40 AM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 (Do you REALLY believe that (1) God IS, and (2) God IS GOOD?)
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Amazing, Thanks for the testimony!


8 posted on 06/16/2018 11:34:56 AM PDT by pastorbillrandles (ore and rebuild Jerusale)
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To: Jim 0216

Jim 0216, I do believe that the tares are being bundled separately from the wheat. Like you, I am hoping and would love it if there were some sort of a great last days revival like Joel 2 for formerly Christian nations like the USA, Britain, Canada, Germany, etc. I would never try to correct you, however Joel 2 in context seems to be an Israeli/Jewish revival as mentioned in Revelation 7. It is arguable whether there will be a world-wide last days revival for the gentile nations who have rejected God (Psalms 9:17). Even scarier are verses like Zechariah 6:8.


9 posted on 06/16/2018 11:52:37 AM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: JesusIsLord

**However, to say that church splits are His will would be a lie.**

True, all are invited through Christ to the Church he founded on the apostles. The ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, and APOSTOLIC CHURCH!

Otherwise, aren’t people putting themselves and their judgments ABOVE those of Jesus Christ?


10 posted on 06/16/2018 12:00:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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The Law is not the enemy. James called the Law the "perfect law of liberty". Jesus said the following...

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

The grace of God that we receive by faith in Jesus Christ helps us to keep the law. That same grace cleanses us when we fall short and does not hand us over to our sins. However those who are lawless, do not know Him...

Mathew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them*, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (lawlessness).
11 posted on 06/16/2018 12:02:08 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Salvation
Jesus and Mary were not part of the Roman Church. None of the Apostles were part of the Roman Church. How about the "thief on the cross?"

I am not trying to be mean spirited, but let me test you on your assertion that Roman Catholicism is the ONLY church. Are we also invited to partake of priestly Pedophilia, or the Homosexual orgies that are ravaging the Vatican right now? How about worshiping the god of Islam who your Pope says is that same? How about prayers to the dead? What about cannibalism by partaking of the Eucharist? Are we graced for being invited to enjoy burning in Purgatory or Limbo? Which of the disciples of Jesus were forced into celibacy? Why did the Roman Church burn men and women at the stake for making God's word available to poor?

You do not know what you are talking about...
12 posted on 06/16/2018 12:10:51 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I do know I what I am saying. Without Jesus, we wouldn’t have his Mother and St. Joseph.

Have you re-read the chronology in Matthew 1 lately?


13 posted on 06/16/2018 12:25:21 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation
Have you re-read the chronology in Matthew 1 lately?

Answer my questions first! Then I will answer yours ;-)
14 posted on 06/16/2018 12:30:41 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

I believe that you have forgotten that the Church came before the Bible.


15 posted on 06/16/2018 12:34:31 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Jan_Sobieski

Good bye. Have a blessed day.


16 posted on 06/16/2018 12:36:50 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Not true. From Genesis all the way to the Epistles, the Books of the Bible preceded the Roman Church and the first Roman Pontiff.


17 posted on 06/16/2018 12:37:18 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Jan_Sobieski
The scriptures you cite are under the first (old) covenant. Remember, the Old Covenant of law and works was before the cross. The death of Christ on the cross brought in the "new and living way" of the New Covenant.

Now, hear the New Covenant which makes the first old, decayed, and disappear (Hebrews 8:13).

For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 6:14.

Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law
Romans 7:4-6.

But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire...For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me.
Romans 7:8, 11.

Nothing wrong with the law, everything wrong with you and me.

Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. 13 Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
Romans 7:12-14.

the strength of sin is the law.
1 Cor. 15:56.

So why did God give the law?

[T]he law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:24.
18 posted on 06/16/2018 1:11:36 PM PDT by Jim W N (MAGA by restoring the Gospel of the Grace of Christ and our Free Constitutional Republic!)
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To: Salvation

We are not invited to a church through Christ.

We are invited to be reconciled with God through Christ.

We come to CHRIST, not to a church.


19 posted on 06/16/2018 6:48:15 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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To: Salvation; Jan_Sobieski
Without Jesus, we wouldn’t have his Mother and St. Joseph.

What nonsense.

Jesus needed to be born and whoever it happened to be were His earthly parents and that was it. If it had been someone different, we'd have never known the difference.

Have you re-read the chronology in Matthew 1 lately?

What of it? What is it supposed to prove?

20 posted on 06/16/2018 6:52:03 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith......)
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