Posted on 02/26/2019 7:25:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind
What is -- or rather should be -- the purpose of interfaith dialogue?
When the Vatican and Pope Francis announce, as they recently did, that they are engaged in interfaith dialogue with leading Muslims, what exactly are they conveying to the world? What are they accomplishing?
The answer to this question is the difference between what true interfaith dialogue is -- namely, an excellent thing that acknowledges and tries to overcome complications -- and what most modern day interfaith dialogue amounts to: Soothing but false panaceas that serve only to suppress, leaving complications to fester and metastasize beneath the surface.
As an example of the latter, consider the “historical” document signed by Pope Francis and his Muslim counterpart, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb of Al Azhar. Far from even hinting that Islam may be connected to all the terror and havoc caused in its name, the document pins all the blame on “incorrect interpretations of religious [Muslim] texts and to policies linked to hunger, poverty, injustice, oppression and pride.”
Of course, one of the reasons such “interfaith dialogues” are common is because the reverse -- honest and straightforward dialogue -- does not make for an amicable experience, but a rather awkward one. It would proceed something like this: We -- believers of this and that religion -- acknowledge that we have differences and, rather than kill each other over them, we are here to lay them out in the open for discussion.
That, after all, is precisely what dialogue among Western and Muslim peoples historically meant.
For instance, around the year 718 -- less than a century after Islam’s prophet Muhammad died -- Caliph Omar II called on Byzantine Emperor Leo III to embrace Islam. This led to a frank exchange in letters. Rather than diplomatically praising though politely refusing Islam, Leo scrutinized Islam’s claims as heaven-sent. Among other things, he openly criticized Islam for circumcising and treating women as chattel, and for teaching that paradise will be little more than a brothel, where Muslim men copulate in perpetuity with supernatural women.
Leo further contrasted Christ’s peace with Muhammad’s jihad: “You call ‘the Way of God’ [sabil Allah, code for jihad] these devastating raids which bring death and captivity to all peoples. Behold your religion and its recompense [death and destruction]. Behold your glory ye who pretend to live an angelic life.”
Far from being a godsend, Islam was at war with God’s people, concluded the emperor: “I see you, even now ... exercising such cruelties towards the faithful of God [Christians], with the purpose of converting them to apostasy, and putting to death all those who resist your designs, so that daily is accomplished the prediction of our Savior: ‘The time will come when everyone who puts you to death will believe he is serving God’ (Jn 16:2).” (Read Sword and Scimitar, pp. 63-65, for the complete “dialogue.”)
Or consider St. Francis of Assisi, whom Pope Francis so idolizes as to take on his name. While St. Francis (b. 1182) did meet and peacefully dialogue with Sultan al-Malik al-Kāmil of Egypt -- as the Vatican often reminds in an effort to position Pope Francis as walking in the saint’s “bridge building” footsteps -- he was no less forthright than Leo (as closely discussed here). He did not ignore Islam’s violent reality, nor apologize for Christian truths to accommodate Muslim sensibilities. His was true dialogue -- and, if the Muslim clerics he debated had their way, would have cost him his head.
The historical example most relevant for our times (to be explained in its proper place) concerns another Byzantine emperor, Manuel II (b. 1350). As a man who spent his entire life resisting Muslim Turks, Manuel was well acquainted with Islam. He understood the three choices Islamic law (shari‘a) imposed on conquered non-Muslims: “[1] [T]hey must place themselves under this law [meaning become Muslims], or [2] pay tribute and, more, be reduced to slavery [an accurate depiction of jizya and dhimmi status], or, in the absence of wither, [3] be struck without hesitation with iron,” he once wrote (Sword and Scimitar, p. 217).
In 1390, Manuel was a ward -- more realistically, a hostage -- of the Ottoman sultan Bayezid, whom contemporary Europeans described as “a persecutor of Christians as no other around him, and in the religion of the Arabs a most ardent disciple of Muhammad.” At Bayezid’s courts, Muslim clerics regularly accosted Manuel to embrace the one “true” faith. He responded with blunt honesty: “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” He too was lucky not to lose his head, as he managed to escape back to Constantinople.
Here are some lessons imparted from these historical anecdotes.
First, and contrary to popular belief, dialoguing between Western and Islamic peoples is not a new endeavor created by “progressive” men of Pope Francis’ ilk. Medieval and “backward” Europeans, who supposedly were always more eager to fight than talk, regularly and sincerely engaged in it.
But whereas pre-modern Europeans saw it as an opportunity to highlight contentious differences that need ameliorating, their modern-day counterparts see it as an occasion to pretend there are no differences.
Second: Although contemporary champions of interfaith dialogue doubtlessly find the blunt words of men like Leo and Manuel completely counterproductive, the reverse is true. Today, when any critical talk of Islam -- especially its prophet -- prompts “outraged” Muslims to riot and destroy, this may seem a counterintuitive claim. Here is where Emperor Manuel II’s haunting words are relevant. In 2006, Pope Benedict passingly quoted Manuel’s assertion that Muhammad had brought “things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.” Muslims around the world rioted, burned churches, and attacked Christians; an Italian nun who had devoted her life to serving the sick and needy of Somalia was murdered there.
All Pope Benedict had to do was merely quote Manuel in the context of the emperor’s greater point -- that “to act unreasonably [by forcing people to convert by the sword] is foreign to God” -- for Muslims to respond with unbridled madness and violence.
That is not dialogue; that is proof that men like Manuel were and are correct in their assessment of Islam. This is especially the case when one understands why past and present non-Muslim critics say what they say about Islam. The intent is not to be “mean” to Muslims, but to say “here is the problem; here is why we are at odds; here is what needs to be fixed.”
At any rate, Pope Francis learned the lesson: The only “interfaith dialogue” welcomed by Muslims is the sort that, instead of asking sincere but tough questions of Islam, covers for it. Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, for example, severed all ties with the Vatican after Pope Benedict quoted Manuel in 2006. The Sheikh has since embraced Pope Francis as a fellow “brother” (in whitewashing Islam).
This is a great pity. Believe it or not, some Muslims actually need to hear the aforementioned criticisms and concerns to be shaken from their complacency, and to place themselves in the other’s shoes. (Hear this well-explained by one Muslim and political activist in Egypt.)
Reasonable polemics against Islam, as captured by the words of Leo, St. Francis, Manuel, and many other historical personages, have caused not a few Muslims over the centuries to search their scriptures in order to respond to the charges -- only to find disappointment. It’s little wonder that “blasphemy,” understood in Islam as any criticism of Muhammad or Islam, is punishable by death: It has led to the disaffection -- that is, “apostasy,” also punishable by death -- of many a Muslim.
This is well-captured by a 12th Century debate between a Christian monk and a Muslim cleric. As the former continued reciting the misdeeds of Muhammad, wondering how anyone could accept him as a man of God, the Muslim accused him of “blasphemy” against “our Prophet Muhammad,” whom “you mock with insolence!” The shocked monk replied: “Upon my life, we do not bring anything from ourselves but from your Book and your Koran” (Sword and Scimitar, p. 51). In other words, since non-Muslim criticism of Islam is often rooted in Islam’s own authoritative texts, honest Muslims have no choice but to re-evaluate.
Indeed, if Christian chroniclers are to be believed, the words of Emperor Leo III and St. Francis to Caliph Omar II and Sultan al-Malik, respectively, caused Muslims to apostatize from Islam, if only in secret.
Be that as it may, one thing is certain: Sincere dialogue ultimately empowers that which is true, and thus good, even if it leads to temporary friction. Insincere dialogue ultimately empowers that which is false, and thus evil, even if it leads to temporary but artificial cooperation. As in the good show recently put on by Pope Francis and his Muslim wolf-in-sheep’s-clothing.
I have never hated a Pope before.
“The more he spoke of his sincerity/honesty, the faster we counted our silver.”
Some HERE will not speak badly of commie popie Frankie.
This “Pope” is disgraceful. He is most interested in Social Engineering. He seems to be equating the Church with Islam.
What are they accomplishing?
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Preparing the flock for slaughter
Islam has never been peaceful.
It has always been a religion of conquest and slavery, murder and mayhem.
They are religiously obligated to continue the jihad started by Mad Mo 1397 years ago until everyone on earth submits to Islam.
There can be absolutely NO good come from this....It is a lie from the beginning...Islam *book* says it’s OK to lie to *further islam*.
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Is Francis familiar with taqiyya? Tell the Infidel anything, get ‘em off guard, then dominate, enslave or kill them.
LOL
That guy on the left is SO THINKING “what a sucker”
Do not hate him, pity him - for he is a fool.
The Wages of Dialogue with Islam is Death.
He's a pretty good practitioner of it himself.
This agnostic “pope” between his protection and promotion of vile, predatory homosexuals and his sell outs to the Chinese Communists which have all but destroyed the Church in China and his accommodations with barbaric jihadists, has alienated and confused many Catholics. The moral credibility of the Church has been destroyed. Many former Catholics have found solace in bizarre ways with morally bankrupt groups. The most evil of “Catholic” politicians have entered this moral void to harm to the United States. This “pope” is an unmitigated disaster.
“That guy on the left is SO THINKING “what a sucker”
Good observation. You’re right.
Hey man hope all is well :)
Yeah this is absurd.
Next Francis will call it “peace in our day”
He is so Done as Pope. The Jesuits were destroyed by communist infiltration. He is a product or plant of it, but certainly a COMMITTED Marxist shill.
Rumblings are surfacing that he is done, but he may rattle around Rome until replaced or retired. All sides are exasperated by him, so perhaps he will make headlines but actually be ignored in practice and in his beloved political policy.
The Good that has come out of his pontificate is having driven so Many back to the traditional Church and her Traditional Latin Masses, and moved to restore Catholic identity, distinct from other world religions and practices.
Slight correction, it is not in the Koran but instead is from Mohammed recorded in the Hadith and subsequent fatwas.
Idiot pope: you don’t dialogue with people who hate you and want you dead.
Yep...I will go out on a limb and suggest his affinity for Islam has more to do with raping little boys than anything else!
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