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1 posted on 03/23/2019 7:41:22 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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Anything that enslaves people to the state is NOT biblical...


35 posted on 03/23/2019 8:20:28 AM PDT by GOPJ ( Bernie wants CommieCare... period.)
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The Left’s cultural Marxism language deconstruction agenda has built a use of the English language where terms no longer hold their meaning.

“UBI strengthens economic liberty at an individual level”.

Ignored by that statement is the idea that “economic Liberty” can simply arrive on your doorstep with a check that you, in your Liberty, did nothing, had to do nothing to obtain.

Yet, “economic Liberty” is entered into the lexicon of “normal language usage” as some sort of natural right that people have, with money to spend that they did nothing to earn. It will continue to be used, and indoctrinated into the sheeple’s minds as a “logical” “natural” idea to be accepted - “economic Liberty” a “right” to other peoples’s money, just because you exist.


36 posted on 03/23/2019 8:20:59 AM PDT by Wuli
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Redistributionism requires confiscatory taxation. The Bible says “thou shalt not steal”. The voluntary use of property to serve others can only occur in a society in which property is privately owned. Publicly owned property and a society which does not respect private property destroys man’s sense of responsibility to use his possessions wisely.


37 posted on 03/23/2019 8:30:25 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Read the Unheavenly City - it explains why “poverty” still exists - that and Poverty Pimps riding the gravy train


39 posted on 03/23/2019 9:10:34 AM PDT by ASOC (Having humility really means one is rarely humiliated)
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[[a monthly stipend of $1,000 ($12,000/year)]]

Swell- rent goes for what these days? $1200 a month?


40 posted on 03/23/2019 9:14:16 AM PDT by Bob434
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I thought UBI was an acronym for UNSUSTAINABLE BASIC INCOME.


41 posted on 03/23/2019 9:20:09 AM PDT by Cvengr ( Adversity in life & death is inevitable; Stress is optional through faith in Christ.)
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I remember discussing the idea of UBI decades with friends in the dorm at college. These ideas aren’t new.


42 posted on 03/23/2019 9:26:04 AM PDT by newzjunkey (MAGA)
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While I’m NOT a proponent for UBI, the whole concept of UBI may be in our future whether we like it or not.

As technology continues to replace human labor with robots and automation, we will eventually reach a point where we cannot provide jobs for everyone. Yes, this includes people that make management and technical decisions. Computers will eventually program themselves, they’ll make better decisions than humans, and they’ll even create and repair themselves.

So, what will humans do? Will we live in a society like in the movie Elysium? Basically, if you were lucky enough to be born into a family that has endless money, then you’ll thrive, if you are unlucky enough to be born into poverty then, in this future automated world, there may be no way for you to work your way out of it.

We may fix this ourselves through reduced reproduction, war, or one of many other idiotic population reducing actions.

Basically, it is entirely possible that someday only a small percentage of humans will actually have jobs. Does that mean that everyone else starves?


43 posted on 03/23/2019 9:27:44 AM PDT by rivercat
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It is a stupid idea. Anyone who thinks it’s a good idea is a colossal idiot.


45 posted on 03/23/2019 9:50:15 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Lying Media: willing and eager allies of the hate-America left.)
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For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

2 Thessalonians 3:10


47 posted on 03/23/2019 10:20:28 AM PDT by seowulf
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Funny how I never hear the term.

“Universal Basic Effort” or UBE...


49 posted on 03/23/2019 11:29:05 AM PDT by crusher2013
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**Is universal basic income a biblical solution to poverty?**

No!!!

Let capitalism reign!


50 posted on 03/23/2019 11:51:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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It’s biblical in the sense that
without miracles, it doesn’t work.


53 posted on 03/23/2019 2:46:02 PM PDT by sparklite2 (Don't mind me. I'm just a contrarian.)
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Nope.

Jesus said that the poor we would always have with us.

Even if everyone were given the EXACT same things to start ove3r with, within a few years, there would no longer be income equity.

People are different and some are good with managing money and some are really good at wasting it.

The problem isn’t income inequity.

The probl3em is human nature.


54 posted on 03/23/2019 3:36:39 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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No, it is not, for it is actually fundamentally contrary to Scripture. In which rewards and increased benefits are merited by obedience (even though apart from God man could not and would not choose to obey God, who is the one who motivates and enables it), and are not a "right."

But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Matthew 6:33)

For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. (2 Thessalonians 3:10)

Then there is also mercy (not getting the bad you deserve) and grace (getting the good you did not merit by obedience), which is to incentivize showing the same and in overall obedience that enables one to be a blessing to others.

What shall I render unto the Lord for all his benefits toward me? (Psalms 116:12)

In those days Hezekiah was sick to the death, and prayed unto the Lord: and he spake unto him, and he gave him a sign. But Hezekiah rendered not again according to the benefit done unto him; for his heart was lifted up: therefore there was wrath upon him, and upon Judah and Jerusalem. (2 Chronicles 32:24-25)

So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me: Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? (Matthew 18:31-33)

And while Israel did provide some public assistance, private charity is what is exhorted in accordance with what one has.

Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; (1 Timothy 6:17-18)

But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality: (2 Corinthians 8:14)

In contrast, impersonal gov. welfare is seen as a "right," and thus the absence of such are considered injustice. And like a cheap women, it is not really being appreciated, and more is demanded. And UBI is part of the same thing.

In addition, the reasoning that giving people free money is justified since it will help the economy is absurd. By the rule the government should just give everyone tons of money. However, this relates to the the law of diminishing returns, in which the extra money going out is less than what comes in.

56 posted on 03/23/2019 5:11:03 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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No. For any church to embrace that would be heretical.

1. It would be compulsory from without (whether by governmental or ecclesiastical coercion), not voluntary from within, and therefore could not be faith based.

2. It would make the temporal and carnal of paramount importance, placed above, even supplanting, the eternal and spiritual.

3. It would ignore human nature (a sure sign it is leftist): The poor you will always have with you.

Leftists - in or out of the church - are all about Utopia: Heaven on Earth.


57 posted on 03/23/2019 5:21:50 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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In addition to all else, it would invalidate the commandment not to covet one’s neighbor’s wealth.


59 posted on 03/23/2019 5:28:31 PM PDT by YogicCowboy ("I am not entirely on anyone's side, because no one is entirely on mine." - J. R. R. Tolkien)
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2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.
60 posted on 03/23/2019 6:58:19 PM PDT by HarleyD
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“For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, If any will not work, neither let him eat....”

That’s a biblical principle....


62 posted on 03/24/2019 1:49:08 AM PDT by trebb (Don't howl about illegal leeches while not donating to FR - it's hypocritical.)
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No.


68 posted on 03/25/2019 6:25:22 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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