Posted on 06/14/2019 11:11:37 AM PDT by chuckles
More and more each day I keep reading and hearing about Antisemitism and wanted to start a conversation about it as it is a historical marker for bad times coming. Over and over throughout history, when Antisemitism is on the rise, world calamity is on the rise. I wanted to talk to people to remind them of what they are supposed to already know but seem to forget periodically. I’m talking from a Protestant Christian, Bible believing point of view. It’s very important that we can agree that the Bible is the Word of God and the Plan God has for the world. If we don’t agree on that, you can just make up whatever “facts” you want to make your case.
First of all, let’s look at where Israel comes from. Abraham was a pagan that was called out of his home country of Chaldea to follow God’s leading. Chaldea is a place associated in the Bible with demonic activity, so we are all called out of a demon led life to follow God just as Abraham was. Abraham lost faith in the promises of God for a child, so he went into his wife’s slave to have a child of unbelief. Ishmael was a son to Abraham but it wasn’t the son promised by God. Ishmael was sent out by God and Isaac was born, the “love child of promise”.
What we start to see here is “election” by God. Ishmael was not selected but Isaac was chosen before he was even born. Isaac was married to Rebekah and a study of this marriage is a picture of the marriage of the Church to Christ. Father sent the Holy Spirit Servant to his Home country to a family member to pick a wife for the Father’s Son. Notice The Servant had to pick from Abraham’s family in his home country. It is very important to in God’s family to marry the Son. Then Esau and Jacob were born. They were fighting in the womb and would never get along in the world. God said Jacob I have loved and Esau I have hated. Once again God “elected” Jacob as His man and rejected Esau. God renamed Jacob “Israel” and blessed him. From now on, all children of Jacob would be Jews, the “chosen” people of God.
These facts seem to have upset the whole world that Israel was chosen for God’s people. The trick for people that want to be included into the Family of God is to join the family, not to fight them.
How do we join in the Family God loves? Well, Jacob had 12 sons and they had wives and sons, but Joseph was special to Jacob because he came from the woman he loved the most. Joseph’s brothers hated Joseph for that and sold him into slavery and told dad he was dead. Joseph story is a “type” for Jesus’ life. Joseph ended up 2nd in power in Egypt, but most important for us, he married a Gentile wife and had at least 2 children by her. Why was this so important to the world? As Jacob was dying, he prophesied over each of his children what their futures would contain. Before he got started, Jacob adopted Joseph’s sons as his own sons! He crossed his hands to bless them telling us that the cross would be the blessing that would get “us Gentiles” adopted into the family of God. Here again comes trouble from the world’s interpretation of Scripture. Christians must understand that we have been adopted into Israel, not that we have replaced the original family of God. God has made all of His covenants with the Jews, but has made available these same covenants through the Jews! Anyone can participate as long as they are adopted as Joseph’s Gentile children into the family.
For an Anti-Semite, they have been convinced that Israel has been kicked out of the Family of God and the church has replaced them. That is the lie from the pit of Hell! We see all through Scripture that Jews were punished by God, but He always came to rescue them because they are His people. Hosea is a picture of a marriage between Israel and God, BUT SHE LEFT HIM! Hosea ended up going to buy her again off the slave block. Israel “married” God when they agreed to do everything God told them to do on Mt. Sinai. The Law was presented to them and they said they would do everything God said. Of course, they were worshiping a golden calf before Moses even got off the mountain, but God stayed with them, as He would throughout Scripture all the way to Revelation.
The point here is God has made covenant with His people and God doesn’t break covenant. If God could break covenant, then why would he not break covenant with Gentile believers? All through Scripture, when people come against the people of God, God rescues them. There are many examples, but let’s just look at Ester. Haman was a descendant of an Agagite. Knowing the genealogies of the Old Testament is always helpful to follow why certain things happened. Let’s just say the Agagite’s were related to the tribe that Saul was told to kill everything with breath, women, children, dogs, cats, horses, anything that breathed, and Saul failed to do it. Needless to say God hated this line of people that was produced back in Genesis 6. If Saul had killed the king he was told to kill, there would not have been a “Haman” in the book of Ester. What is it about Haman that made him want to kill ALL of the Jews? This Antisemitism got him killed as he plotted against God’s people.
Another story is the story of the Maccabees. Antiochus Epiphanies was a despotic ruler and a type of Antichrist that defiled the Temple and tried to kill all of the Jews or make them worship his gods. The most powerful army in the world at the time was beaten back by a rag tag bunch of rebels to take Israel back for themselves.
IMO, Hitler had the same designs on God’s people and was destined to be beaten by God’s Hand. Israel has been here since Genesis and will be there in Revelation. Scripture shows this. The final battle will be a 200 million man army in the valley of Midego facing a remnant of Israel and Jesus will wade through them like a sword through butter. The result will be 184 miles of blood 6ft. deep. The Jews have not been replaced by the church. In fact The church will be Raptured out of harm’s way before God starts cutting seals. IMO, the spirit of Antichrist, Jesus mentioned that was already in the land, is equal to the spirit of Antisemitism. Jew hatred just means you hate God’s family. You cannot be a Christian and be Anti-Semitic as you would hate God’s people and therefore hate God. If you decide to go against God’s people, you will eventually come against God. I see Christians today that feel like the Palestinians deserve to take Israel away from Jews. Really? Since Abraham was promised the land in Genesis 12 the land has always belonged to Israel. I don’t see God asking anyone their opinion of what seems fair to an earth dweller. The Land belongs to God and His people. All others will be thrown out. Even the final 1000 years will be God living with His people in Israel and He will have His throne there. Being Anti-Semite is no different than being Antichrist. When Joseph met his brothers again in Egypt, he forgave them and loved them. The Jews are God’s people and we have no say in what He does with them. We as Gentiles, however, are fortunate to be able to join the Family of God and have an equal inheritance with the Sons of Israel. If you come against God’s people, eventually you will come against God. That is always a loser. If you or your church teach that Israel has been replaced by the church, you are sitting under error and are in danger of the wrath of God. A Gentile's role in the plan of God is to be adopted into the family, not fight it. God has made a way into the family called Jesus. If you hate Jews, you hate Jesus. If you belong to Jesus, you have been given the right to become Sons and Daughters of God. Don't hate your brothers.
Judaism is a religion. A person can convert to it. Or are you saying that there’s an ethnic component to it? If so, that means that people like Ivanka Trump have a problem.
Meanwhile, “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” So, is that a lie?
Your post got me to thinking that one problem Christians have today is rejecting the Jewishness of Jesus. Do Christians observe the Lev 23 Feast days? Do they celebrate Easter and Christmas, or follow the Bible days of First Fruits and Tabernacles? When Constantine took over God's church, he was antisemitic and changed times and dates and laws away from the Bible. Do you understand the Sabbath is the 7th day or the 1st day? Jesus didn't change anything but He came to fulfill everything. Jesus didn't come to change the Law but to fulfill it.
By understanding Scriptures, we can understand much more than what a Gentile Christian is exposed to. Ask the average Christian what the "Day no one knows" is and they will say you can't know. A Jew will tell you it's Rosh Hashanah or Trumpets. A Messianic Jew just looks at Scripture and see how Jesus fulfilled all the Law for us.
So is a Messianic Jew a Christian or a Jew? The name "Christian" was used as a bad name for followers of Christ, but they are "believers" in Scripture.
Bingo! There are as many Antisemitic people in the church as there are in the ME. That was the purpose of me writing this. It doesn't belong in the church.
We already see the birth of reprobate minds as sodomy is now protected in the land. What happened to Sodom and Gomorrah? Are we better than they were? Jesus will return as it was in the days of Lot. As sodomy grows in the land, I expect Antisemitism to rise accordingly.
If you concentrate on certain people, you will end up in circles. I'm talking about hating Jews because they are Jews. There are many Gentiles that will be entering Hell along with some Jews. That doesn't mean Israel is not God's people. Israel is God's time clock. The future will be determined with what happens in Israel. That doesn't mean Jews won't be judged. Look at the fate of leaders that tried to divide Israel's land for peace. They all died horrible deaths.
... and also leaders of subversive movements unfortunately. The writings of the Rabbis encourage looting the gentiles. The Bolsheviks were largely dominated by ethnic Jews. Communist revolutionaries in Gernany were largely led by Jews, and also dominated the perversions on display in Berlin. Saul Alinsky was Jewish. The Frankfurt School of Marxists is Jewish. The poets and activists of the sixties were led mainly by Jews. Jewish writers and attorneys dismantled anti-porn laws. The majority of founding feminists, if not all of them, were Jewish.
I don’t understand your soteriology at all. It flies in the face of traditional Catholic or Protestant teaching, veering into a sort of special pleading that allows you to feel better about the prospects in the hereafter for a group of people you like.
A man may reject Christ and still be saved, so long as he’s a Jew? That’s interesting. That is what you are saying; essentially, that there is another pathway to salvation that is outside of Christ. You also seem to be saying that Christ is the pathway to salvation for Gentiles, but the earliest Christians were Jews who converted. Why did they bother? They didn’t need Christ.
You have been presented with the question of salvation through conversion to Judaism, and you have avoided it. You also avoided John 14:6. One is a pretty straightforward question, the other is Scripture. The Scripture answers the first question for you.
“The future will be determined with what happens in Israel.” No, the future will be determined by God’s will, not by interpretations of prophecy that got really popular in the last 50 years.
Back to the first point of the post, You can't just look at Israel as people you don't like and treat them as strangers instead of your brothers. We will all be judged individually, but as a nation, they are God's people. If you choose to curse them instead of bless them you are confronting God.
If they believe in Christ, then they are God’s chosen, just like all believers. If they don’t, they are just like any other infidel.
Having said all that, the Temple was destroyed in 70AD because they didn't need it anymore. The Temple was transferred to men's hearts for the Holy Spirit. But the Jews were still God's people, to the Jew first and then the Gentile. There was 2000 years of Diaspora and now Eze 37 has come true. Israel was reformed and is a nation in one day. The land is restored and will not split again. The Og and Magog war will come, but Israel is still God's people. The 3rd Temple will be built so the Antichrist will be able to desecrate it. The whole world will come against Israel and the final battle will be lost by Christ defeating the world that has come against Israel, God's people.
You seem to be worried that I'm saying a Jew can get to Heaven without Christ. I've never said that. This has nothing to do with individual salvation. What I am saying is that Israel is God's people and you make a mistake going against them. The UN represents 194 countries and about 80 % of their resolutions are against Israel. Do you want to go with the world or God? If you meet a homosexual Jew that kills babies and steals your money, they are no different than a Democrat Gentile that does the same. They will be judged the same. What I'm saying is when you side with AOC or Omar saying Israel should be attacked, you are siding with the Beast and against God.
Have you talked to Jews about this? Is there a consensus among rabbis that Christians are also Jews by adoption?
No, I’m challenging your concept of salvation. I’ll quote you.
“What I’m saying is you must join God’s family to be saved.”
Not exactly. To be saved, one must accept Christ and believe on Him. That goes for Jews and Gentiles alike. Period.
“This has nothing to do with individual salvation.” It sure did sound like it. I guess we can put this particular issue to bed with a simple question: Can someone be saved outside of Christ?
“Who are God’s people?” Christians, whether they are descended from Jews or Gentiles.
Let’s not forget Jesus...So? Your point? We can all see your point.
Considering the topic, your post is very appropriate, and instructive.
What is Anti-Semitism?
It is the religion of a tribe known as- The Ignoramuses
Ignoramuses happily use, enjoy the things SEMITES have brought to our world which are far out of proportion to the small fraction of humanity that is called Semite.....
What is Anti-Semitism?
It is the religion of a tribe known as- The Ignoramuses
Ignoramuses happily use, enjoy the things SEMITES have brought to our world which are far out of proportion to the small fraction of humanity that is called Semite.....
It was what was given to the animal muslims in congress to protect them from the truth
Nothing I wrote is anti-Semitic unless true statements are anti-Semitic.
I like this article on Antisemitism.
https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2018/10/28/on-antisemitism-critical-thinking-and-conspiracy-theories/
Semites are descendant’s of Noah’s son Shem.
The prophet Abraham was a descendant of Shem.
The Jews claim descendancy from Abraham’s (legitimate) son, Isaac. The Arabs claim descendancy from Abraham’s (bastard) son, Ishmael. So both the Jews and the Arabs are Semitic races.
How the label anti-Semitism only gets applied to anti-Jewery is anybody’s guess.
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