Posted on 08/02/2019 7:04:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
This scripture commands tongues be a part of a church service.
Newberg states to ABC News: “It’s not language—it’s not regular language at least .... “
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Maybe ABC likes this story because in their world “news” is language.
So we arrive at the following: “It’s not NEWS—it’s not regular NEWS at least ....”
The phenomenon --syllables in a language-like order but no cognitive significance--- happens in Scat Music (think Ella Fitzgerald) and some Celtic "Puirt a Buel" ---called "Mouth Music" by the Scots and Irish.
That's not to prove it's legitimate, or to prove it's illegitimate either. It's just something we humans can do when we go to a certain place in our heads.
Interesting story.
This woman has a gift.
The only thing this “study”proves is that the part of the brain that controls language isn’t engaged when you babble nonsense. I’ve watched these people fake this crap. Anyone can do it,even a 6 month old baby. I have a 6 month old great grandson who can babble better than any Pentacostal.
Actually it says they HEARD in their language. They may have been "babbling" as you call it. Prayer language is the Holy Spirit that lives in you communicating with God. You don't have to know what is being said.
“Whenever the Bible speaks of tongues, it is speaking of KNOWN LANGUAGES.”
It can be either the language of men or angels, not just known languages.
1 Corinthians 14:2 -
For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:14-
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1 Corinthians 13:1 -
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels
RE: Actually it says they HEARD in their language. They may have been “babbling” as you call it.
OK, let’s grant that for now. What was the consequence?
The people heard the gospel IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGE,
ACTS 2:8-11
“... Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”
What about today’s tongue speakers?
If I were to bring some non-English speaker from Mongolia or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia to a tongue speaking service, will they hear the gospel in their own tongue? Or will they simply hear some “unknown” babble?
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RE: You don’t have to know what is being said.
Maybe in private. But if you do it in a public worship setting, the command by St. Paul (who himself spoke in tongues) is clear -— SOMEONE MUST TRANSLATE. ( SEE 1 CORINTHIANS 14:6-18 ).
In Exodus, the 70 Judges, or elders, went half way up the mountain and ate with God and saw His throne. Were they there or just taken before God in the Spirit? Isaiah 6 speaks of him seeing Him high and lifted up with His train filling the Temple. Ezekiel saw the same. Jacob saw a ladder to Heaven and wrestled with and Angel. Were they there or were they "in the Spirit. Eph 6 says we can't even have all the armor on unless we "pray in the Spirit".
Be careful when you doubt the gifts of the Spirit. Jesus said Blaspheming the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Jesus had just healed and cast demons out and the Pharisees accused Jesus of doing it by Beelzebub. Those that accuse The Holy Spirit of being a demonic spirit will not be forgiven. Things you don't understand should be a subject of inquiry and not an object of ridicule. If I speak in tongues and you don't, many automatically think it can't be true because they don't do it. If you are Christian, maybe you should be concerned that you don't. It was common in the first church. Jesus said you must ask for it to get it.
Luk 11:11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish?
Luk 11:12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?
Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"
A serpent and a scorpion represents demons in Bible language. He is saying if you ask for Baptism in the Holy Spirit, why would Jesus give you a demon? Several times in Acts, the Apostles found people that were baptized into John's baptism and the Apostles laid hands on them and they spoke in tongues. It is a 3rd Baptism. Why did the Apostles lay hands on them to apply the Holy Spirit? The Baptism in the Holy Spirit gives men power from Jesus to do exploits to build the church. If no one is healed in your church, if they never prophesy, if they never get a word of knowledge, there is a church, but they deny the power of God. Tongues is just an indication that you have the seal of the Holy Spirit. To have power to build the Kingdom, you need this Baptism. John the Baptist described Jesus as the one that would baptize with Spirit and fire. The Holy Spirit baptizes into the Body of Christ. Disciples baptize with water. Jesus Baptizes you with the Holy Spirit. Is it possible that when we meet Jesus without the Baptism in the Holy Spirit He may say to us, "Get away from me, I never knew you"? The people that He says that to cast out demons, prophesy, eat and drink Communion, and go to church, yet Jesus doesn't "KNOW" them. Knowing someone in the Bible means becoming ONE with them.
If you don't want the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, that's your choice, but I wouldn't make fun of the evidence that someone else has it. Tongues is just the least of the gifts and is evidence that the Holy Spirit indwells your body.
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When I saw folks speaking in tongues in my teens (at the church of the father of a friend of mine), more than once, there was always one person so moved to speaking in tongues, and then a second person, also seeming to be caught up in the spirit, who would follow each break in the speaking of the first person with what was presumed to be an English language version of what was being said. I don’t know if that is a general or usual manner that it is done, just the one I was familiar with.
For me, It's is me giving the use of my voice to the Holy Spirit to say whatever He feels needs to be said. Sometimes it sounds like preaching, sometimes like praying, sometimes with tears, sometimes with laughter. All I know is I'm not doing it myself. I can start and stop anytime, but my mind is thinking of something else and not what is being said. I suppose the Spirit can be listening to my concerns and praying a proper prayer in the will of God. Many times when we pray a "soulish" prayer, we pray amiss that will not be what God wants us to have.
Babbling brooks do just that. They babble.
That doesn’t make them prophetic.
If a person gets baptized by a person that doesn't have the gifts of the Spirit, They may actually say "I Baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit", but if he doesn't have the gifts, you only get Baptized into the body of Christ, and the Water Baptism, symbolizing dying to the flesh and being raised as a new creature. Chances are great that you will NOT receive the Immersion in the Holy Spirit and will have to ask for it. I've heard of people coming up from the water speaking in tongues or getting Tongues at home while they go to a non believing church. Most people however have to decide they want or need the gifts to receive the baptism, and it usually comes from someone that has and uses the gifts to impart it to the new believer. If you don't need or want the gifts, you won't receive them. God doesn't force anything on anyone.(Free Will).
I wish someone had asked the couple to translate the speaking into English.
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