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To: chuckles
You must ask to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit

And that is my entire point ... show me in scripture ... where Paul says "You must ask God to receive the baptism of the spirit" ...

Its not there ... anywhere ... nowhere does the text of scripture command us to seek the baptism of the HS. And because you believe in this second blessing you have in fact put experience above the Bible!

Further, if we are suppose to do above and beyond what the apostles were told (yes, only the apostles were in the upper room in John 13-17) ... then why don't you drive to the nearest hospital and empty the place out.

Paul asked the question "Do all speak in tongues?" ... In the greek, he asked it with a definite "NO" answer in mind. Any first semester seminary student will affirm that. If not all speak in tongues then tongues cannot be the evidence of the indwelling HS. It is rather, the FRUIT of the indwelling spirit that is the evidence for His possession ... not fake signs and wonders.

Last point, why did Jesus specifically mention that false believers could prophecy, cast out demons, and do miracles? Since people in your camp routinely do all three of these ... doesn't that at least give you pause? Should that not at least cause you to think seriously about whether what you believe is Biblical?

65 posted on 08/05/2019 1:10:36 PM PDT by dartuser
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To: dartuser
This is Jesus speaking:

Luk 11:11 If a son asks for bread from any father among you, will he give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent instead of a fish?

Luk 11:12 Or if he asks for an egg, will he offer him a scorpion?

Luk 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

If you don't have the gifts of the Spirit, you can ask for them. If you don't want them you won't get them. If you ask, you will receive, you can become an effective Christian able to serve God and build the Kingdom. If not, then there will be nothing supernatural about your time pew sitting.

I don't know if you read my other posts. If you haven't, then you might back up and read them all.

66 posted on 08/06/2019 4:37:42 PM PDT by chuckles
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