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If the Vatican wanted to destroy the Church, how would it behave differently?
LifeSite News ^ | December 11, 2019 | Wiliam Kilpatrick

Posted on 12/12/2019 8:59:30 AM PST by ebb tide

If the Vatican wanted to destroy the Church, how would it behave differently?

December 11, 2019 (Turning Point Project) — Are you confused?

If you follow Catholic news media, you can't help but notice the explosion of bewildering innovations being enacted or proposed for the Church on an almost weekly basis.

The Amazon Synod itself was chock-full of novel ideas — that the Amazon region is a source of revelation, that pantheism and polytheism are valid forms of religious expression, and that the Catholic Church needs to conform itself to Amazonian spirituality. The Synod organizers seemed to be proposing an entirely new kind of Church with an "Amazonian face."

The world got a glimpse of what this new kind of Catholicism might look like with the introduction of Pachamama who, depending on the day of the week, was variously described as the Virgin Mary, Mother Earth, or simply a South American souvenir item.

The Amazon Synod came on top of a number of other rapid-fire shocks to the Catholic system. It was convened only a little more than a year after the publication of Archbishop Vigano's letter, which charged Pope Francis with complicity in the cover-up of several sex abuse cases. But so much has happened since then that the Vigano testimony already seems like ancient history.

So many cover-up-of-abuse stories have emerged since then that they are losing their ability to shock. And even if one still experiences shock, there's little time to recover from it before the Vatican administers the next shock. A short list would include the heavy emphasis on the needs of the LGBT community during the World Meeting of Families in Dublin, followed by a synod on youth and vocational discernment which had hardly a word to say about the vocation of marriage, and, then, an amazingly brief summit on sex abuse, which concluded that sex abuse was somehow caused by clericalism. It was also bewildering that Pope Francis kept promoting scandal-plagued prelates to offices for which they possess little or no qualifications.

All these developments, coming as they did in quick succession, have caused quite a bit of confusion among Catholics. And some people think the confusion is deliberate — the Vatican version of the Cloward-Piven Strategy. Devised by Columbia University-trained sociologists Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven — a husband-wife team dedicated to political activism — the strategy advocated a strategic, organized overloading of the public welfare system. This would, as they wrote in a famous 1966 article in The Nation, create "a political crisis ... that could lead to legislation for a guaranteed annual income and thus an end to poverty."

The strategy can be used to undermine confidence in any system — the immigration system, the electoral system, or the judicial system. The trick is to overwhelm the system with repeated demands in the hope that the resulting confusion will provide the conditions for implementing radical changes.

At this point, it's difficult to avoid the conclusion that key Church leaders have adopted a similar strategy with the intention of discrediting and collapsing what they consider to be the outmoded "rigid" system of tradition-bound Catholicism.

Pope Francis doesn't seem bothered by the confusion. Indeed, he has often spoken of the merits of "making a mess." When an Italian journalist claimed that the Pope does not believe Jesus is divine, the matter was left up to the Vatican Press Office to clarify, and spokesmen said that the journalist did not give a "faithful account" of what was said. When the journalist claimed that Pope Francis had denied the bodily resurrection of Jesus, once again, the Holy See Press Office said that the journalist was an unreliable fellow whose words "cannot be considered as a faithful account of what was actually said."

Hmm. The Pope is alleged to have made heretical statements, and the only response the Vatican can muster is, "That's not exactly what he said." One gets the impression that these are not terribly important questions either for the Pope or the Press Office. Yet, for most Catholics, these are the central questions.

A steady stream of innovations and obfuscations serve two purposes for the modernists in the Vatican. On the one hand, in Cloward-Piven fashion, they destabilize the Church, thus paving the way for even more radical change. On the other hand, each new outrage serves to distract attention from the original outrage detailed in Vigano's August 2018 letter. Francis has never answered those charges, and if his bob and weave strategy continues to work, he never will.

This article originally appeared in the December 6, 2019 edition of Catholic World Report. It is published here with permission from the Turning Point Project.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: apostasy; catholics; francischism; heresy; paganism; selectedbygod
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Hmm. The Pope is alleged to have made heretical statements, and the only response the Vatican can muster is, "That's not exactly what he said." One gets the impression that these are not terribly important questions either for the Pope or the Press Office. Yet, for most Catholics, these are the central questions.
1 posted on 12/12/2019 8:59:30 AM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
Pope Francis is the Obama of the Catholic Church.

If you thought Spygate and the Coup were stunning, wait until you see the succession struggle for the next Pope

2 posted on 12/12/2019 9:02:16 AM PST by rdcbn ( Referentia)
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To: Al Hitan; Coleus; DuncanWaring; ebb tide; Fedora; irishjuggler; Jaded; JoeFromSidney; kalee; ...

Ping


3 posted on 12/12/2019 9:04:49 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

The supposedly God directed College of Cardinals elected this man to direct Roman Catholicism. He is directing that religion into a completely different posture than Historically aligned. Did God make a mistake with the College of Cardinals ... or is the whole process not a God directed process?


4 posted on 12/12/2019 9:06:06 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

False statement. Doesn’t deserve a response.


5 posted on 12/12/2019 9:20:02 AM PST by ebb tide (We have a rogue curia in Rome.)
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To: ebb tide

This druid pope is a sure sign of the approaching apocalypse...

...prepare your souls.


6 posted on 12/12/2019 9:22:32 AM PST by exPBRrat (.)
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To: MHGinTN

The supposedly God directed College of Cardinals elected this man to direct Roman Catholicism. He is directing that religion into a completely different posture than Historically aligned. Did God make a mistake with the College of Cardinals ... or is the whole process not a God directed process?

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As a lapsed-Catholic, I think you actually have a very fair question: One that cannot easily be dismissed. In fact, it’s the main reason I’m no longer a practicing Catholic. Namely, because there is no rational and satisfactory answer if the God truly directs the Magisterium.


7 posted on 12/12/2019 9:34:53 AM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: ebb tide

LOL ... cat has ebb’s tongue again.


8 posted on 12/12/2019 9:44:19 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Bishop_Malachi; ebb tide

You can understand why Ebb avoids the question.


9 posted on 12/12/2019 9:47:23 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN
The supposedly God directed College of Cardinals

While the Cardinals certainly pray for God's guidance, there is no guarantee in Catholic theology that they hear it or respond to it, so your premise is a false one.

10 posted on 12/12/2019 10:18:13 AM PST by Campion ((marine dad))
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To: Bishop_Malachi
Jesus left a corrupt religious establishment. We would be remiss to not follow his lead...

Revelation 18: “Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great. She has become a lair for demons and a haunt for every unclean spirit (Pachamama), every unclean bird, and every detestable beast. 3All the nations have drunkc the wine of the passion of her immorality (homosexuality). The kings of the earth were immoral with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown wealthy from the extravagance of her luxury.” 4Then I heard another voice from heaven say: “Come out of her, My people, so that you will not share in her sins or contract any of her plagues. 5For her sins are piled up to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.
11 posted on 12/12/2019 10:20:40 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski (Sanctification)
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To: Campion

LOL


12 posted on 12/12/2019 10:21:26 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: MHGinTN

Did God make a mistake with the College of Cardinals ... or is the whole process not a God directed process?

The College of Cardinals is supposed to pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit when electing a pope. But God only directs them if that's what they want. There are always going to be bad apples (statistical probability) who place their own agenda above God and vote the way they want to.

Also, it appears from what we've heard that the cardinals didn't do due diligence re Francis. In this day and age of the internet, you would think it would be easy as pie to check on him to see what kind of bishop he was. Apparently they were too lazy, and just believed what they were told about him by those trying to orchestrate his election.

13 posted on 12/12/2019 10:23:09 AM PST by BlessedBeGod (To restore all things in Christ~~Appeasing evil is cowardice~~Francis is temporary. Hell is forever.)
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To: rdcbn

Why do you think he and Xi are such butt buddies:-)


14 posted on 12/12/2019 10:42:43 AM PST by Harpotoo (Being a socialist is a lot easier than having to WORK like the rest of US:-))
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To: MHGinTN

The better question to ask is, was it a legitimate conclave? If Pope Benedict XVI was forced to resign, then the resignation was not valid and he is still the true Pope (which is what I believe). If Benedict is still the true Pope, then Bergolio is nothing but a usurper, and anything he has to say is null and void. If he got in by subterfuge, then why should anyone be surprised at his anti-Christian rants? He’s a tool of the Father of Lies.


15 posted on 12/12/2019 10:49:17 AM PST by nanetteclaret (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column)
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To: Campion; Bishop_Malachi
Yes, Campion, that's just it. If the election of Jorge Bergoglio were taken to be a direct act of God's positive will, it would be absurd, as it would be God choosing someone who would expose His Flock to daily confusion and heresy. But that could not be God' positive, or shall we say "executive" will; no more than if a good Christian woman asked for God's guidance in choosing a good husband, but ended up marrying a man who proved to be a deceiver, unfaithful and abusive.

God's permissive will is another story. God could permit Jorge Bergoglio, just as He could permit a lamentable marriage, just as He could choose and permit Judas, though He does not force anybody to sin.

"Jesus replied to them, 'Didn't I choose you, the Twelve? Yet one of you is a devil.'"(John 6:70)

Everyone is exposed to temptation, whether from their own weakness, or base, worldly motives, or from the snares of the devil. Everyone --- a pope-elect, a wedded spouse, a close companion and Apostle of Christ like Judas--- could choose good or evil.

In exactly the same sense, "the world, the flesh and the devil" influenced Peter, James and John to be unable to pray with Jesus for even one hour at His time of crisis; influenced Judas to betray Jesus; influenced Peter to deny Him three times; influenced all the rest (except John) to abandon Him to His enemies in sheer cowardice and fear.

Same Church --- still His Church, now, as then: and we call this failure of even those chosen by Christ, the "Mysterium Iniquitatis"--the Mystery of Iniquity.

Yet the multiple failures of the Apostles did not mean that Jesus erred in choosing them, nor that Jesus at length would reject them. They were all restored except for despairing Judas, who was replaced by the first Apostolic successor, Matthias, in what would be a chain of successors for the Apostles, stretching from then until now.

So Jesus has not abandoned the Church. He knows EXACTLY what He is dealing with here. But He does not hate the Church, His Body; He does not hate His Bride.

16 posted on 12/12/2019 11:46:05 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Let us commend ourselves, and one another, and our whole life, unto Christ Our God.")
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To: MHGinTN
The supposedly God directed College of Cardinals elected this man to direct Roman Catholicism.

How many times will this canard be trotted out after it has been repeatedly pointed out that this is not Catholic teaching?

17 posted on 12/12/2019 12:06:36 PM PST by Petrosius
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To: BlessedBeGod

Doubtless insight.


18 posted on 12/12/2019 12:46:59 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: nanetteclaret

Insightful also.


19 posted on 12/12/2019 12:47:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Conflating the Org with the real one true Body of believers still! You’re can be so devious ...


20 posted on 12/12/2019 12:49:47 PM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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