Is God Responsible For The Evil In The World? No He Is Not.

“Did God know when he created Adam
that it would cause Christ to have
to go to the cross?”___Seven_O
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Yes.
Because my view is that God is Omniscient
{all knowing}.

But a more important question is what
conclusions are you going to draw from
that?

What are you going to Do because God
knew before He created Adam that He
would have to send the Lord Jesus to
the Cross?

Beliefs have consequences.

Here is a check list of stuff that
we are supossed to DO as Christians:

{1} Attend Church regularly.
{2} Attend a Bible believing Church.
{3} Support the church with at least
10% of our income.
{4} Read our Bibles every day devotionally.
{5} Do our very best to stay away from Sin.
{6} Love God with all our hearts, minds, and
souls.
{7} Love our neighbor as we love ourselves.
There are more , , you can list them.

Keep in touch , , ,

JAG

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What are you going to Do because God knew before He created Adam that He would have to send the Lord Jesus to the Cross?

The fact that God knew everything before creation and did it anyway leads me to conclude that God is the cause of everything. You may not see how it is for his pleasure. Here is a verse to start.

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

God is willing to do what is necessary in order to accomplish his goal. Birth, death and resurrection were always part of his plan (See Gen 1:1-3). Much of what we know of God’s character is found in his word. I find it hard to imagine that he would have put Christ on the cross if there were an easier way.

“The fact that God knew everything
before creation and did it anyway
leads me to conclude that God is
the cause of everything. You may
not see how it is for his pleasure.

Here is a verse to start.

Heb 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author
and finisher of our faith; who for the
joy that was set before him endured the
cross, despising the shame, and is set
down at the right hand of the throne of
God.

God is willing to do what is necessary
in order to accomplish his goal. Birth,
death and resurrection were always part
of his plan (See Gen 1:1-3). Much of what
we know of God’s character is found in
his word. I find it hard to imagine
that he would have put Christ on the
cross if there were an easier way.”
___Seven_O

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Everything “for His pleasure” again.

Are we back to God creating sin and evil
for His pleasure?

Are we back to TOM and THE JUDGE?

Are we back to “All means ALL and
that’s ALL, ALL means”?

Post some of your most unusual conclusions.
So I can see where you “want to go” with all this.

They ALWAYS have some where they “want to go”
when there is a strange idea afoot.

Best.

JAG

Scot me up Beamy.

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Post some of your most unusual conclusions. So I can see where you “want to go” with all this.

O K here is one for you.

1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Does that include Eve?

“Post some of your most unusual conclusions.
So I can see where you “want to go” with all this.”___JAG

Seven_O Writes:
O K here is one for you.
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Does that include Eve?”___Seven_O

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JAG Replies:
Was Eve saved?
I do not know.
The following seems rather scanty.
But I have always heard it proclaimed as true.

The gist of it that Eve had faith in God
on 2 occasions.

Then there is the animal “skins” thingy.
Where the idea is that the fact that they
wore clothes made from animal skins meant that
God had somehow saved them -— the animals being
sacrificed for their salvation. But do NOT sign
me up as believing THAT.

I do not know if Adam & Eve were saved or not.
But I kinda think they were.

Start quote.
The Bible does not explicitly state
whether Adam and Eve went to heaven.
While Adam and Eve later serve as
examples of sinful failure in the
rest of Scripture, (Adam in Job 31:33;
Hosea 6:7; Rom. 5:12-14; 1 Cor. 15:21-22
and Eve in 2 Cor. 11:3; 1 Tim. 2:13-14)
we do know at least two instances later
in the Genesis narrative where Eve
exhibited faith in God.

In our first example, Eve believed
that God was going to send her a
promised child, referring to Cain,

“Now the man had relations with his
wife Eve, and she conceived and gave
birth to Cain, and she said, ‘I have
gotten a manchild with the help of the
LORD,’” (Gen. 4:1).

From this first passage, we see that
Eve trusted in the promise of God to
provide a child.

However, tragically, Cain actually
kills Abel and God expells him from
the presence of Adam and Eve (Gen.
4:12-16). Not only has Eve lost Abel,
she has also lost her firstborn son,
Cain. Despite her dire circumstances,
Eve continues to trust God to provide.
We later read,

“Adam had relations with his wife again;
and she gave birth to a son, and named
him Seth [which literally means
“appointed”], for, she said, ‘God has
appointed me another offspring in place
of Abel, for Cain killed him,’”
(Gen. 4:25).

Again, Eve continues to rely on the
promise of God. This time she
actually receives the “appointed”
child who did not cause the heartache
which Cain caused her.Eve as an Example
of Faith:’
End quote.

Link:
https://carm.org/were-adam-and-eve-saved

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Seven_O Writes:
O K here is one for you.
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
Does that include Eve?”___Seven_O

JAG Asks:
Are you a Universalist?
That ALL will be eventually saved?
Do you interpret “all will be made alive”
to refer to ALL humanity?
If so that is Universalism.

That’d be nice, wouldn’t it?
I mean who wants anybody to go to Hell?
Not me.
The problem is the Bible does not teach
Universalism.

I am NOT saying you teach it either.
I am just asking you, are you a
Universalist?

You seem to like the word “ALL.”

Best

JAG

PS
Keep in touch.

Scot me up Beamy.

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1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

I am not a Universalist. Notice that Eve is not mentioned here. Did she die because she was created in Adam? I am not taking a stand here but if she did, the narrative in Genesis is has a new twist. Their condition did not change; they were naked before and after. The difference is their eyes were opened and we infer from God’s question that someone told them they were naked.

“1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die,
even so in Christ shall all be made
alive.
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I am not a Universalist.

Notice that Eve is not mentioned here.

Did she die because she was created in Adam?

I am not taking a stand here but if she
did, the narrative in Genesis has a
new twist.

Their condition did not change; they were
naked before and after. The difference
is their eyes were opened and we infer
from God’s question that someone told
them they were naked.””__Seven_O

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My view is that the phrase “in Adam all die”
was merely Paul’s way of saying that we
inherited our sinful nature from Adam the
first man.

My view is there was no reasons for
Paul to say, For As in Adam and Eve all die.

Why do you think it is an important point
that Eve was omitted from 1 Cor.15:22 ?

Or maybe you do not think that?

I am having a difficult time trying to
figure out what your major concerns are?

Did Eve die because she was created in Adam?
Yes. Sin entered the world through BOTH Adam
and Eve. My view is that Paul used Adam as
representative of both Adam and Eve. That
means I think Paul COULD HAVE SAID in
1 Cor.15:22 As in Adam and Eve all die.
But Paul omitted Eve because Adam was
enough to make the point.

My view is they came to know they were naked
ONLY because they came to know what sin was.

I don’t see Genesis as having a “new twist”
because of any of this.

But maybe I am not understanding your
major concerns?

By the way, I uses CAPS only for emphasis,
and NOT to speak loud.

Keep in touch.

JAG

Scot me up Beamy.

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Did Eve die because she was created in Adam? Yes. Sin entered the world through BOTH Adam and Eve. My view is that Paul used Adam as representative of both Adam and Eve. That means I think Paul COULD HAVE SAID in 1 Cor.15:22 As in Adam and Eve all die. But Paul omitted Eve because Adam was enough to make the point.

There are other verses where Adam is referred to and not Eve. This verse also uses the word “one.”

Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

I am having a difficult time trying to figure out what your major concerns are?

Matt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

“Every” is one of those words like “All.” When you start looking at the detail and precision of scripture, you will realize that the Bible is a very large book. If God is the author, you should have high expectations of what you might find.

Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Think about what this verse says about God’s character. This is not something God does rarely; it is the rule. Every time I read the bible I find something new. It is our spiritual bread and there is enough to last our lifetime.

If Eve died because se was created in Adam, then she was condemned before she ate the fruit. Adam is a figure of Christ and Eve is a figure of the Church (Ephesians 5:31-32) If the meaning of symbols in scripture is not consistent then there is no meaning. I can argue either side here, but I am sure that there is something more that I have missed.

“If Eve died because se was created in
Adam, then she was condemned before
she ate the fruit. Adam is a figure of
Christ and Eve is a figure of the
Church (Ephesians 5:31-32) If the
meaning of symbols in scripture is
not consistent then there is no
meaning. I can argue either side
here, but I am sure that there is
something more that I have missed.__SevenO

My view is that you are taking something very
simple and with good intentions, making it
unnecessairly complicated.
Ephesians does NOT say that Eve is a figure
of the Church.

And “symbols” in Scripture can get you in
very DEEP WATER right quick.

Keep in touch.

Prove to me that Eve is a figure of the church.
I say you can NOT do it.

God Bless

JAG

My view is that you are taking something very simple and with good intentions, making it unnecessarily complicated.

I wonder where the idea that scripture is simple came from. In my view the Bible is the most complex book ever written. It is right up there with DNA, another masterpiece by the same author. If you believe that the Bible is a simple book then you cannot justify spending much time trying to understand it. However it is our daily spiritual bread. It is in the details that we find our daily blessings.

1 Cor 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Prove to me that Eve is a figure of the church. I say you can NOT do it.

Eph 5:31-32 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

I cannot offer proof only evidence. There is no proof for the skeptic. God has given the institution of marriage to illustrate the relationship of Christ to the Church. Not just Adam and Eve, but many times in scripture and history even today. Through it we have different perspectives to shape a clear picture of the lessons God has given us. Two things lead us to connect this passage to Adam and Eve. The language of Genesis 2:4 and Romans 5:14 which says that Adam is a figure of Christ.

Another feature is that Eve was deceived but Adam was not.(1 Timothy 2:14)