"The condition of national restoration is the confession of a national offense…" Is this Pastor Bill's conclusion? If so, I disagree.
Israel is a nation today - not because they confessed a national offense and not because they believe in Messiah Jesus. They have done neither. The fact is that modern day Israel is made up of mostly secular people many of whom are agnostic or atheist. The religious orthodox Jews, who may Christians ignorantly exalt, are modern day Pharasees. You know, those with the same mindset that killed Jesus.
The only reason Israel is a nation today and the only reason Jews are coming home is because God has choosen this time to regather them.
Israel is back in the land, indeed. One of the great miracles of our time. But Israel is not restored as they will be. This has nothing to do with my conclusion, scripture itself tells Israel they must confess their offense in order to be restored, as the quotation of Hosea I gave. It is true also, as I have been stating that Orthodox Jews are the Pharisees
Israel is back in the land, indeed. One of the great miracles of our time. But Israel is not restored as they will be. This has nothing to do with my conclusion, scripture itself tells Israel they must confess their offense in order to be restored, as the quotation of Hosea I gave. It is true also, as I have been stating that Orthodox Jews are the Pharisees
“Israel is a nation today - not because they confessed a national offense and not because they believe in Messiah Jesus. They have done neither. The fact is that modern day Israel is made up of mostly secular people many of whom are agnostic or atheist. The religious orthodox Jews, who may Christians ignorantly exalt, are modern day Pharasees. You know, those with the same mindset that killed Jesus. “
The High Priest (Caiphis) was NOT a Pharasee , he was a Sadducee. The Sadducee’s were like today hard left that did not believe in almost anything the bible said . The bible records Pharasees becoming followers of Jesus but not one Sadducee is recorded .
That is true. The Pharisees originated in the Maccabean period as Pərīšayyā (Hebrew: פְּרִישַׁיָּא), meaning "set apart, separated", related to Hebrew pārûšh (Hebrew: פָּרוּשׁ), plural pĕrûhšym (Hebrew: פְּרוּשִׁים),
They were the ones who claimed the "Oral Torah" and additions to the laws in the Torah.
Lera is wrong that "Sadducees were like the hard left" - in fact that utterly false. The Sadducees were the ultimate conservatives - they refused the innovations of the Pharisees.
Sadducees saw the written Torah as the sole source of divine authority.
According to Josephus, the Sadducees believed that:
JesusIsLord is correct that the modern day "Jews" are really "Pharisee Jews" while modern day "Christians" are "Jesus movement Jews"
Lera - the numbers of Sadducees was tiny - they were ultra-conservative, didn't believe in an afterlife, and were the elite. They were minuscule in number. The Pharisees were many, many more. That's why we read of Pharisees converting.
When I came to Poland in 2010 I learnt that they differentiate between nation and country. And that's true for Israel and Jews -- Israel is a nation AND a country in which multiple nations live (such as Armenians, Arabs, Druze etc.)
Judah has never ceased to be a nation in the non-political sense - but Israel as a nation was torn after Solomon and ceased after the Assyrian conquest - unless you consider the Samaritan claims (which are validated by genetic tests that they are descended from Israelites)
Israel as a political entity ended in 700 BC, Judaea as a political entity ended in 70 AD, but had a 4 year break in 132 BC under the "Jewish Messiah" Bar Kochkba
Modern Israel is a country for the "race" of Jews to have a homeland - and I support that idea as I'm sure we all do. However as a "nation" this is partially a country for the nation of Judah alone. northern Israelites aren't there yet.