Testimonies from CHOP/CHAZ, pt.1
Testimonies from CHOP/CHAZ pt.2
The testimonies sounded to me like legitimate stories of men who were ministering powerfully in the gifts of the Holy Spirit, in the midst of very dark circumstances. I have since noticed Charlie Shamp’s name among modern popular prophets who are featured, for example, at elijahlist.com.
I am posting this video on Free Republic because there’s a chance that anyone who watches it will be moved to pray more earnestly for the electoral process than they otherwise might. Nothing wrong with that, regardless what you might think of Charlie Shamp's exhortation. That specific motivation aside, the nature of the video raises all kinds of questions that are good food for thought. Is Charlie Shamp a prophet? Is anyone actually a prophet of God these days? If the election eventually turns on the Supreme Court ruling on corruption in Philadelphia, what does that mean with regard to God and prophecy; the “office of prophet”; and gifts of the Spirit, among other things?
This guy has stuck his neck way out with this prophetic announcement. If Trump doesn't win his second consecutive term, by any means at all, Charlie's reputation will take a sure hit. Not much less so if Trump wins by means other than Philadelphia corruption and SCOTUS. I will personally not be surprised if things turn out according to this prophecy. From what I can tell Charlie does walk in unusual prophetic ability, whether that's as an Ephesians 4:11 prophet or as one walking in the I Corinthians 12 Spirit gift of prophecy.
There are other prophetic voices like Mark Taylor who are (as of my last check a couple of weeks ago) confidently awaiting Donald Trump’s second inauguration, despite the deceptive machinations from election night til the present. Charlie Shamp is, however, the only personality I know of who is adding the disclaimer that believers in the USA must pray a Trump victory into being, that it is not a foregone conclusion.
Make of all that what you will. And no matter what you believe about prophets and Charlie, please pray earnestly for the Lord to release His truth and justice into this land. Share this video as you see fit, in order to further spread the exhortation to pray. I've included a transcript/summary of the video, for anyone who doesn’t want watch any or all of the presentation.
Regards.
GN
00:18-00:43
Presentation/content introduction
00:43-01:54
Requests viewers to share video; explanation of Facebook changing timestamps of his videos
02:28-03:12
explains regarding some video comments taken down, posts removed, general status of censorship on social media
03:14-04:28
more introductory material, his prophecies in context of 2016/2020 elections; clarification/disclaimer: “I am not the only prophetic voice that has spoken about President Trump being reelected...”
04:29-05:20
Explanation of of vision/dream from August 2016
05:22-06:00
will only be addressing prophecies God has given him, not to anyone else; specifies Kim Clement
06:01-07:29
Explanation of prophecy from December 31, 2019. Regarding election 2020. “...riots, protests…Trump will triumph in 2020...” Charlie Shamp uneasiness about what he was seeing/hearing in the revelation.
007:30-07:36
“...Trump will triumph in 2020, but the church needs to pray (emphasis added).”
07:40
February 27, 2020 vision. Justice scales in shape of a cross, balancing two large C’s on the scale pans. First large C is “Communism”; second is “Capitalism”. “...the nation is at a crossroads, must choose between two roads of communism or capitalism.”
09:30-10:10
(vision continued) Third large C is “Church”. “...'My church must arise in this hour to decree the word of the Lord, to tip the scales of freedom and liberty. She must open her mouth, judge righteously, and defend the rights of the poor and needy. She must arise and tip the scale and break the spirit of communism that seeks to destroy the land of one nation under My hand. For you will decree a thing and it shall be established unto thee. And the light will shine upon the righteous way.' That was February 27, 2020.”
10:15-10:50
explains gradual understanding that “something” would take place in the court system this year.
10:51-11:13
Reminder – he prophesied 2.5yrs ago regarding ACB and Brett Kavanaugh to SCOTUS
11:14-11:29
mentions “red tsunami wave” prophecy, about which he has received criticism. Says that in that prophecy he mentioned “three Supreme Court justices being put in.”
11:30-12:21
Reiterates belief that something was going to happen in the court system; draws attention to prophecy from September 26, 2020: “...greatest battle for heart of America will not be fought at the ballot box during the election but will happen in the Supreme Court.”
12:22-13:01
“present circumstances confirm February 27 prophetic word”; reminder of justice scales vision in heart of the nation and scales to be tipped by the church.
13:03-13:28
Description of “praying into” election, hearing September 26 word
13:32-13:46
On October 22, 2020, he released a prophecy regarding Pennsylvania, specifically Philadelphia.
13:49-15:51
Backstory: Monday, October 19, 2020 he spent twenty-four hours praying in tongues, per Lord’s instruction to “lock in that day for America, that He would give me a word for the country.” During that prayer time, the Pennsylvania prophetic word came forth. Released on October 22 in recognition of Isaiah 22:22, the Key of David, lock out demonic and open up blessing for the nation.
15:54-17:13
Word released on October 22, mentions inclusion on Elijah List (Elijah List - October 22, 2020); says Lord told him to release prophecy on October 22.
17:16-19:46
Explains “white stone” symbol; associated with acquittal from crimes. October 22 prophecy continued; white stone as more “court system” imagery in prophecies. “December 31, 2019: ‘Trump will triumph in 2020.’” Finishes reading October 22 prophecy.
19:50-21:00
Exhorts people to share this video as much as possible. Asserts that he (Charlie Shamp) isn’t “a prophet to receive a word and then say, ‘What will be will be.’” Asserts that he has nothing to prove to anyone with regard to accuracy of his prophetic words. Adamant that he’s speaking words directly from the Lord.
21:04-22:26
“'There will be corruption found in Pennsylvania.'” He knew through the prophetic words that 1) it was coming down to Pennsylvania; 2) Pennsylvania will be the key to deliver nation from communism; 3) it would come down to Philadelphia’s attempt to steal the election through corruption; and 4) the election will not be finished on election night but would go to SCOTUS.
22:27-23:20
“Prophecy builds upon prophecy.” Consider totality of prophetic words to see picture the Lord is painting. That is, it was always going to come down to the Supreme Court.
23:26-25:23
“All of the prophecies are on our website (www.destinyencounters.com).” Social media platforms are changing time stamps, sabotaging his prophetic posts. Difference between God’s prophets and Jezebel’s prophets. References Kim Clement prophecy about attempt to put a witch in the White House. Not just about Hillary.
25:26-28:01
September 26, 2017 prophecy. “Well-documented.” Woman to rise out of California. Kamala Harris. Harris/Biden fulfill prophetic words. “That plan will fail.” Again with the justice system. “The Lord said He’s going to teach her about true justice, that is, when God is fighting for His people.”
28:04-32:35
Re: prophetic word from July 15, 2020. Spiritual storm from God will cleanse Washington, DC of demonic storm; rainbow over White House will be sign of God’s glory in DC.
32:36-35:26
“Rainbow hasn’t manifested yet.” There has been much prayer from Washington DC and a tent. “It is shifting.” Exhortation from Charlie Shamp for audience to get engaged with historical moment in US. Refers to justice scales vision from February 27, 2020. “God has set us in the earth for such a time as this.” “God did not do away with prophets. Prophets are still on the earth.”
35:30-37:18
“The Lord said this will be a time that we would have to pray through.” Decries “flaky” prophecy which confuses issues, promotes apathy in people regarding legitimate prophecy. Charlie Shamp not concerned with anyone’s opinion of him. “The word of the Lord is sure. God has spoken...You knew it was coming down to Pennsylvania...We need to stand up as the church of Jesus Christ, and we need to begin to speak into it. We gotta decree and declare. We gotta begin to pray like never before. Because it’s coming down to not what the vote is...it’s coming down to the Supreme Court...they’re going to find corruption if the people will pray (emphasis added).”
37:18-38:16
Adamant that he will not sit back and see the USA “go to hell in a hand basket”. “God put us – you and I – in this moment in history as the church of Jesus Christ to into the court of heaven and tip the scales of justice towards the USA.”
38:16
Exhortation to be aggressive and not passive in this opportunity. Pray until inauguration.
39:50
“...if you stayed in your house, you sat in your home wearing a mask on in your basement because the government told you that you could not meet, what do you think you’re going to do when the government tells you that you’re not allowed to speak on certain issues, you’re not allowed to say certain things because it’s hate speech...what are you going to do? I think that you’ll bow your knee to that. But, see, I’m not that guy. I’m not that prophet. I don’t bow my knee to Baal. And I don’t kiss the ring of Jezebel – ever.”
40:37
“I’m looking for an army like Gideon that is going to arise, that is going to begin to pray through until the president is put in the place that God called him to. And this is the hour we’re standing in right now, where God is calling the church to arise...”
41:18
“In December of last year the Lord spoke to me and said that the greatest challenge that the church will face is the spirit of fear in 2020. And He said, ‘Challenge the spirit of fear.’ He said the true church – the real church – will come up from the underground and be seen. They are going to rise and shine."
41:47
“The Lord spoke to me specifically. He said, ‘Challenge the spirit of fear, because there’s only two places that you can rest in this hour. You can either rest in fear that brings torment, or you can rest in the spirit of the fear of the Lord.’ We have to make that decision, friends. And I choose to not bow my knee but to press forward in the righteousness of God and the spirit of the fear of the Lord.”
42:30
“...God is going give us victory. God is going to give us justice. And we’re going to see the nation come back. We are going to see a third Great Awakening. We’re going to see America in revival again.”
42:56
“...at the end of the day, it’s about revival. It’s about the move of God. And you cannot have reformation without first having revival. And here we are, you and I. We’re standing in a moment that will be spoken of for generations to come.”
43:21
“Our children’s children will speak of this moment where the church arose and began...to make our voice known in heaven, so that true justice will come to this country.”
43:56
“I’m calling up intercessors – every intercessory group, every church pastor, leader...if you’re a preacher and you’re a minister – especially if you’re a well-known minister, and you are sitting on fence right now, you should be ashamed of yourself.”
44:27
Rebuke of ministers who are not engaging in this battle, in order to abstain from taking a political stance. “My friend...you’re gonna stand before the Lord for what you’re saying to people. The very fact that we stand on the verge of seeing abortion - all the way up to nine months in the womb – overturned in this country, and you want to sit back say nothing...you’re gonna stand before the Lord. You can’t sit on the fence.”
45:49
challenges viewers to not listen to ministers referenced in previous section.
46:22
“This is the hour of the radical and the bold to arise. And so I’m calling upon all intercessors. You need to take this word that was released on October 22, 2020, and you need to begin to pray it through. Because it’s going to the Supreme Court. And corruption – if we pray – is going to be found out. And the election will be seen in the favor of President Trump. And Trump will triumph in 2020.”
46:55
“...it comes down to the church tipping the scales of justice.”
47:41
“And, again, you can share this video with all your friends; share it with everybody. This is the hour. Wake up, America! Wake up, church! Wake up!”
48:26
“My friend, it was all coming down to this, because God is wanting to see restoration in America. And we can’t sit back and just say, 'Whatever will be will be.' No. We’ve gotta aggressively take hold of the altar of God and put ourselves on the altar and say, 'Lord, bring justice to the nation.'"
48:50
“The tipping scale is gonna be Pennsylvania. The key to country is found in Pennsylvania. The corruption is in Pennsylvania.”
49:15
“The Lord said that corruption is in Pennsylvania. In Philadelphia. That it was in Philadelphia. Do you think that it’s by some random coincidence that they stopped counting last night night in Philly? No. There’s corruption there. But we as the church need to rise and shine."
(prayer, closing remarks)
God has said nothing about the US Election. The Bible, on the other hand, does tell us that God is Sovereign and HE appoints rulers - ordained for the purpose HE has laid before them.
Well, he's correct on that one: Trump was elected to a second term.
Unfortunately, that is not the issue at hand. The issue is whether or not the deep state will be able to deny President Trump's being seated for his second term, and so far, it looks like they might just pull it off.
He predicted corruption in Philadelphia? A prophet indeed.
Good idea, and thank you.
Freepers, let's pray.
This is prophesing out of both sides of your mouth. Heads I win, tails you lose.
The fact is that the body of Christ has and continues to pray for righteousness and justice in America. We serve the God who was willing to spare Sodom and Gomorrah, if only 10 would repent. I assure you that there are more than 10 blood-bought, Spirit-filled Christians praying for America.
Any 'prophet' who hedges his bets is not a prophet.
On October 20th, and I watched it BEFORE the election, a pastor posted a prophetic dream he calls the DATA DREAM. Honestly, I have never believed much in this stuff, but I have never seen anything as eerie and, to date, true. He mentions Nevada, Philadelphia, lighted underground data routes running from various cities. People in lab coats, routing them, in fact, in one instance they are calling to stop the data flow. He keeps hearing the word “discovery”. I am waiting until December 17th, a specific date in his dream, that is jaw dropping.
Listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMn_jbG2ZKU
I know you’re just dying to hear my own personal take on this. (LOL)
Call me conflicted. I’m very uncomfortable with anyone who calls himself or herself a “prophet”, or says “God told me this” or “The Lord told me that”. HOWEVER, the Bible also says (I think in Revelation) that in the last days, God will pour out His spirit on the world, and that “your sons and your daughters will prophesy”. And a great many people, including a ton of Freepers, have had dreams, premonitions, etc.
I think the poster who gave the Biblical standard for a true prophet as 100% accuracy is correct. Let’s wait & see if Shamp’s predicions come to pass exactly as stated.
Thank you. It is reassuring to me many are spending their time on God’s word and Biblical topics. Disappointing- this forum has a number of those that do not believe or are lukewarm at best. Intense prayer is required during these times, those doubting the power of prayer doubt the power of God himself....brings to mind the message to depart, for I do not know you.
He’s not the only one who calls himself a prophet who has predicted this.
Time will tell and I’m hoping so, although I expect all hell to break loose when he does.
But God has already answered a lot of prayer by turning other elections away from the democrats and having pro-life and pro-constitution politicians elected and those who do evil removed.
And all that would be for nothing if Trump is not inaugurated. So here’s hoping that Trump is in and we can prove ourselves worthy of this one last chance God is hopefully giving us.
Shamp...wasn’t he one of the Three Stooges?
The tipping point may be that Video in Ga.
“Charlie Shamp is, however, the only personality I know of who is adding the disclaimer that believers in the USA must pray a Trump victory into being, that it is not a foregone conclusion.”
Nice to have it both ways....if it doesn’t happen...well I guess no one prayed enough, right?
Elijah prayed that God would reveal himself powerfully after the Baal priests prayed all day. Israel watched but hardly anyone was praying; a drought was ravishing the land. God struck Elijah’s utterly wet and sodden sacrifice and nothing was left but ash. Then the rains fell and the people then believed and slew all the priests of Baal.(Elijah at one point was one of the few prophets left after Jezebel had all the Godly prophets killed, as many as she could get her hands on).
The point I’m making is that God reaffirmed his covenant with Israel even though the land was in a state of corruption. Oh we should pray, as many as we can get...but God will send revival when he is ready and there won’t necessarily have to be a quid pro quo. The churches may need to be readied for the influx that will come in. So perhaps the workers should be raised up and be ready...
Thanks to all who replied. This has been a good thread. Gotta head out now.