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To: SeekAndFind; metmom; Hebrews 11:6; etabeta; Vendome; Ezekiel; DarthVader; Maudeen; redryder_90; ...

I pinged you, because we either discussed Scripture and Christian topics, or I have read comments by you on religious matters. Thus I know you have shown you have a grasp of understanding the Scriptures. Thus you could be of help to me in my current predicament.


3 posted on 02/12/2021 3:53:27 PM PST by OneVike (Just another Christian waiting to go home)
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To: OneVike

I am hardly a theologian but see what you think about this. https://www.gotquestions.org/difference-faith-trust.html


7 posted on 02/12/2021 4:01:48 PM PST by Maudeen (A question to answer, "Will my name be written in the Lamb's Book of Life?" Revelation 20:15)
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To: OneVike

Thank you for including me. I’d like to think about this for a little bit and then post.


15 posted on 02/12/2021 4:37:31 PM PST by Bishop_Malachi (Liberal Socialism - A philosophy which advocates spreading a low standard of living equally.)
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To: OneVike

This is just a personal interpretation, and is by no means based upon the finer points of Koine Greek, or even Theology:

Every time you get on an airplane, you have FAITH in the laws of motion, gravity, and aerodynamics.

And you TRUST that the pilot is trained, capable, and not inebriated.

FAITH is in something you can’t see, but you still believe in.

TRUST is a transitive verb with an object (the Pilot).

Just my 2 cents.


44 posted on 02/12/2021 5:38:49 PM PST by left that other site (If you do not stand firm in your faith, you will not stand at all. (Isaiah 7:9))
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To: OneVike
Wow, that's actually a good topic to discuss.

My first inclination is to find both those words in the Old and New Testament and find out meanings as found in the most reliable concordance. I use the Strong's. This could be lengthy.

Faith

New Testament

pistis

persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

This is the one I found most prevalent in the New Testament, and it's found in many places. In the Old Testatment, however, I found the word faith used only twice. (Bear in mind that I use the King James exclusively, sometimes referring back to the 1599 Geneva Bible.)

Old Testament

ay-moon'

established, that is, (figuratively) trusty; also (abstractly) trustworthiness: - faith (-ful), truth.

or

'ĕmûnâh

literally firmness; figuratively security; moral fidelity: - faith (-ful, -ly, -ness, [man]), set office, stability, steady, truly, truth, verily.

As for the work "Trust," I found this:

Trust

New Testament

elpizō

From G1680; to expect or confide: - (have, thing) hope (-d) (for), trust.

or

peithō

A primary verb; to convince (by argument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (by other fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence or authority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.

Old Testament

châsâh

A primitive root; to flee for protection; figuratively to confide in: - have hope, make refuge, (put) trust.

bâṭach

A primitive root; properly to hie for refuge; figuratively to trust, be confident or sure: - be bold (confident, secure, sure), careless (one, woman), put confidence, (make to) hope, (put, make to) trust.

I hope this gets you started in the right direction. Let me know if I can of further assistance.

45 posted on 02/12/2021 5:47:22 PM PST by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: OneVike
There is a program I use called e-Sword. Once installed you can download many items like bibles, commentaries, concordances and lots of other stuff. That's what I use for this kind of study.

e-Sword

48 posted on 02/12/2021 5:52:12 PM PST by ducttape45 ("Righteousness exalteth a nation; but sin is a reproach to any people." Proverbs 14:34)
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To: OneVike; molewhacka; ConservativeMind; ealgeone; Mark17; fishtank; boatbums; Luircin; mitch5501; ...
I pinged you, because we either discussed Scripture and Christian topics, or I have read comments by you on religious matters. Thus I know you have shown you have a grasp of understanding the Scriptures. Thus you could be of help to me in my current predicament.

But/however/nevertheless/even so/notwithstanding/nonetheless/be that as it may, do you trust/believe/have confidence in this person to as qualified to answer your question?

I trust/believe/have confidence you get my point.

In addition to what molewhacka has well provided, let me add while pistis is almost always translated (KJV) "faith," peithō is mostly translated (KJV) as "persuaded:" Mat_27:20, Luk_16:31, Luk_20:6, Act_13:43, Act_14:19, Act_18:4, Act_19:26, Act_21:14, Act_26:26, Rom_8:38, Rom_15:14 (2), 2Ti_1:5, 2Ti_1:12, Heb_6:9, Heb_11:13 but also appears as trust, 7 times, confidence/confident 9 times, and similar. And we have elpizō which is translated (KJV) trust, 15 times: Mat_12:21, Joh_5:45, Rom_15:12, Rom_15:24, 1Co_16:7, 2Co_1:10, 2Co_1:13, 2Co_5:11, 2Co_13:6, Phi_2:19, 1Ti_4:10, 1Ti_6:17, Phm_1:22, 2Jo_1:12, 3Jo_1:14. and hope, 7 times: Luk_6:34, Act_26:7, Rom_8:24-25 (2), 1Co_15:19, Phi_2:23, 1Pe_1:13

And we have parrhēsia which in the KJV is translated "confidence" in Act_28:31, Heb_3:6, Heb_10:35, 1Jo_2:28, 1Jo_3:21, 1Jo_5:14 as in "Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward." but which can also mean boldness, 9 Act_4:13, Act_4:29, Act_4:31, 2Co_7:4, Eph_3:12, Phi_1:20, 1Ti_3:13, Heb_10:19, 1Jo_4:17 boldly, 3 Joh_7:26, Eph_6:19, Heb_4:16 and the like. The above it not exhaustive. .

Let me also add what Wikipedia currently says about faith, though before it was edited it defined faith as "belief without evidence." But now it says "Religious people often think of faith as confidence based on a perceived degree of warrant,[4][5] while others who are more skeptical of religion tend to think of faith as simply belief without evidence."[6] and under https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith#Christian_apologetic_views we have,

In contrast to Richard Dawkins' view of faith as "blind trust, in the absence of evidence, even in the teeth of evidence",[50] Alister McGrath quotes the Oxford Anglican theologian W. H. Griffith-Thomas (1861–1924), who states that faith is "not blind, but intelligent" and that it "commences with the conviction of the mind based on adequate evidence...", which McGrath sees as "a good and reliable definition, synthesizing the core elements of the characteristic Christian understanding of faith".[51]

American biblical scholar Archibald Thomas Robertson stated that the Greek word pistis used for faith in the New Testament (over two hundred forty times), and rendered "assurance" in Acts 17:31 (KJV), is "an old verb meaning "to furnish", used regularly by Demosthenes for bringing forward evidence."[52] Tom Price (Oxford Centre for Christian Apologetics) affirms that when the New Testament talks about faith positively it only uses words derived from the Greek root [pistis] which means "to be persuaded".[53]

British Christian apologist John Lennox argues that "faith conceived as belief that lacks warrant is very different from faith conceived as belief that has warrant". He states that "the use of the adjective 'blind' to describe 'faith' indicates that faith is not necessarily, or always, or indeed normally, blind". "The validity, or warrant, of faith or belief depends on the strength of the evidence on which the belief is based." "We all know how to distinguish between blind faith and evidence-based faith. We are well aware that faith is only justified if there is evidence to back it up." "Evidence-based faith is the normal concept on which we base our everyday lives."[54]

Peter S Williams[55] holds that "the classic Christian tradition has always valued rationality, and does not hold that faith involves the complete abandonment of reason while believing in the teeth of evidence."[page needed] Quoting Moreland, faith is defined as "a trust in and commitment to what we have reason to believe is true."

Regarding doubting Thomas in John 20:24-31, Williams points out that "Thomas wasn't asked to believe without evidence". He was asked to believe on the basis of the other disciples' testimony. Thomas initially lacked the first-hand experience of the evidence that had convinced them... Moreover, the reason John gives for recounting these events is that what he saw is evidence... Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples...But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, and that believing ye might have life in his name. John 20:30,31.[56]

Concerning doubting Thomas, Michael R. Allen wrote, "Thomas's definition of faith implies adherence to conceptual propositions for the sake of personal knowledge, knowledge of and about a person qua person".[57]

Kenneth Boa and Robert M. Bowman Jr. describe a classic understanding of faith that is referred to[by whom?]as evidentialism, and which is part of a larger epistemological tradition called classical foundationalism, which is accompanied by deontologism, which holds that humans have an obligation to regulate their beliefs in accordance with evidentialist structures.

They show how this can go too far,[58] and Alvin Plantinga deals with it. While Plantinga upholds that faith may be the result of evidence testifying to the reliability of the source (of the truth claims), yet he sees having faith as being the result of hearing the truth of the gospel with the internal persuasion by the Holy Spirit moving and enabling him to believe. "Christian belief is produced in the believer by the internal instigation of the Holy Spirit, endorsing the teachings of Scripture, which is itself divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. The result of the work of the Holy Spirit is faith."[59]

64 posted on 02/12/2021 6:37:46 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn to the Lord Jesus as a damned + destitute sinner + trust Him to save + be baptized+follow Him!)
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To: OneVike

Thank you. Have some thoughts, but must consider and then reply. Norski


75 posted on 02/12/2021 8:19:48 PM PST by Norski (Pilate saith unto him, What is truth?)
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To: OneVike

A little late to this discussion, OneVike.
And no scholarly answer to give you.

I would see faith as a more positive word, although very synonymous with trust..

I can trust a Nancy Pelosi or a Hillary Clinton to be who they always are.
They never let me down because I trust them to be the weasels they have shown themselves to be..

Faith, as a believer, always has a positive feel to me.never negative and yet, faith like film, is best developed in darkness.

Faith feels like a stronger word. Faith is believing and obeying in spite of appearances, and in spite of consequences.

One could probably turn around and say the same for ‘trust’.

Can I trust that I haven’t helped you with your challenge ?
:)


115 posted on 02/13/2021 7:00:53 PM PST by delchiante
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