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To: Pez149; Alamo-Girl; albee; alrea; Ambrosia; AnalogReigns; AnAmericanMother; Angelas; AniGrrl; ...
"First off Jesus did not have long hair."
The Bible does not describe the length of Jesus’ hair, nor anything about his description or appearance. Several Judaic sects of the period, such as the Essenes, wore their hair long, especially those of the priestly tribe. The tradition is that John the Baptist was an Essene and Jesus took on his cousin John’s traditions after his Baptism. There is a Biblical OT tradition that a man’s strength came from not cutting his hair, I.e. the story of Samson and Delilah with her cutting Samson’s hair supposedly to weaken his strength. Hasidic Jews to this day retain long forelocks in honor of that Jewish tradition.

“2nd Jesus had his facial hair plunked.”
That was only one of the tortures and indignities inflicted on Jesus. The Beard plucking does not need to be that the entire beard was plucked out but that patches were pulled for pain and the humiliation effect to a Jewish man to have the effect desired. . . nor did they have the time to do a thorough job of beard plucking. It was a casual thing the soldiers would do while taunting him.

"3rd the nails were driven into the wrist."
What is seen on the Shroud wrist wounds is actually anatomically and forensically correct. Multiple studies using actual human bodies have demonstrated that nailing a Crucifixion victim through the center of the palm as most Christian art depicts Jesus’ nailing NG would fail as there is nothing there to prevent the flesh of the palm between the bones from tearing under the weight and flexing of the movement over even a short period of time and the victim falling from the cross. However, at the base of the palm, still on the hand, is an easily located indentation, about ¾" to 1" toward the wrist from the center of the palm, where a nail can be driven that opens a space in the bones of the wrist (the Space of Destót). The wrist bones move enough to allow the nail to pass through without breaking any, but the median nerve is either severed or damage, causing the thumb to contract into the palmar area, not to mention severe nerve pain. The naturally derived exit wound is exactly where it is shown on the back of the wrist. These wrist bones easily can hold a struggling human victim without giving way, while the soft tissues between the carpal bones of the palm cannot. Any experienced Crucifixion executioner would know exactly where to nail a Crucifixion victim.

"4th Jesus was bound in strips of linen and his face was covered by a napkin(separate cloth)"
Actually, these are only mentioned in one of the Gospels, and the "strips" are a very late translation of the original Greek of that Gospel, using an obscure reference of the word "Othonia" used which was only found when the word was used as bandages in war stories. There were three more common uses of the same Greek word in Ancient Greek literature that would have served better. Translators misused Othonia as "bandages" and "strips of linen" because they were doing their English translations at the very same time as many Egyptian mummies were being brought to Europe wrapped in yards and yards of strips of linen. They assumed Jews buried their dead in similar grave clothes. They did not.
The Jews actually had a written tradition of how their dead were to be buried recorded in the Mishnah, and that tradition first of all required the body be interred before sundown of the day of death. The body is to be ritually washed, anointed, limbs tied to prevent flopping akimbo at wrists and ankles, knees, and the jaw tied shut (this was the face cloth "about" the face, under the chin, around the face and tied over the crown of the head), eyes closed with weights (potsherds or coins) on the eyelids. A shroud used to cover the body if it could be afforded, and aromatic herbs packed around the body. There is literally no time to wrap a body in yards of linen strips when the body had to be interred by sundown.
A 1st Century Jewish Cemetery in Jerusalem was unearthed in the mid-1980s and excavated where numerous skeletons were discovered. None were found entangled with remnants of linen strips, but two were covered with the remains of large linen shrouds. The archaeological, written, Greek original, and Jewish Mishnah record is clear… Jews did not wrap their dead in strips of linen as old English biblical translators erroneously claimed. The only strips used may have been used as binding to hold the limbs from flopping.

"These are mentioned in the Bible."
Another thing mentioned in the Gospels in the original Greek is that Joseph of Arimathea bought a fine Linen "Syndon"… which translates as a large cloth, a sheet, a shroud, or a sail… I.e. a really big piece of cloth. It does not say he bought yards and yards of linen strips.

SHROUD OF TURIN PING!

33 posted on 07/09/2021 2:52:14 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you hoplophobe bigot!)
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To: Swordmaker

Thank you.


34 posted on 07/09/2021 5:25:14 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Swordmaker

I knew about the wrists, but not about the cloth/strips info. Great stuff!

The Shroud was left as a gift for us.


40 posted on 07/09/2021 8:45:40 AM PDT by Melian (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens. ~ Gimli)
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To: Swordmaker
"First off Jesus did not have long hair." The Bible does not describe the length of Jesus’ hair, nor anything about his description or appearance. Several Judaic sects of the period, such as the Essenes, wore their hair long, especially those of the priestly tribe. The tradition is that John the Baptist was an Essene and Jesus took on his cousin John’s traditions after his Baptism. There is a Biblical OT tradition that a man’s strength came from not cutting his hair, I.e. the story of Samson and Delilah with her cutting Samson’s hair supposedly to weaken his strength. Hasidic Jews to this day retain long forelocks in honor of that Jewish tradition.

The reference to a man not cutting his hair went along with those who took a Nazarite vow:

    The Nazirite/Nazarite vow is taken by individuals who have voluntarily dedicated themselves to God. The vow is a decision, action, and desire on the part of people whose desire is to yield themselves to God completely. By definition, the Hebrew word nazir, simply means “to be separated or consecrated.” The Nazirite vow, which appears in Numbers 6:1-21, has five features. It is voluntary, can be done by either men or women, has a specific time frame, has specific requirements and restrictions, and at its conclusion a sacrifice is offered.

    First, the individual enters into this vow voluntarily. The Bible says, "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'If a man or woman wants to make a special vow, a vow of separation to the LORD as a Nazirite’” (Numbers 6:2). This shows that it is individuals who take the initiative to consecrate themselves to the Lord. There is no divine command involved. While generally done by the individual by his own choice, two individuals in the Old Testament, and one in the New Testament, were presented to God by their parents. Samuel and Samson in the Old Testament (1 Samuel 2:8-28; Judges 13:1-5), and John the Baptist in the New Testament received the Nazirite vow from birth (Luke 1:13-17).

    Second, both men and women could participate in this vow, as Numbers 6:2 indicates, “a man or woman.” The Nazirite vow was often taken by men and women alike purely for personal reasons, such as thanksgiving for recovery from illness or for the birth of a child. However, under the Mosaic law, the vow or oath of a single woman could be rescinded by her father, and that of a married woman by her husband (Numbers 30).

    Third, the vow had a specific time frame, a beginning and an end as these two statements indicate: “Throughout the period of his separation he is consecrated to the LORD... Now this is the law for the Nazirite when the period of his separation is over” (Numbers 6:8, 13a). So, the Nazirite vow usually had both a beginning and an end.

    Fourth, there were specific guidelines and restrictions involved with the Nazirite vow. Three guidelines are given to the Nazirite. Numbers 6:3-7 tells us that he/she was to abstain from wine or any fermented drink, nor was the Nazirite to drink grape juice or eat grapes or raisins, not even the seeds or skins. Next, the Nazirite was not to cut his hair for the length of the vow. Last, he was not to go near a dead body, because that would make him ceremonially unclean. Even if a member of his immediate family died, he was not to go near the corpse.

    Numbers 6:13-20 shows the procedure to follow to complete the vow. A sacrifice was made (vv.13-17), the candidate’s hair was cut and put on the altar, and the priest did the final task of completing the sacrificial process, which ended the vow (v. 20). This section concludes with the statement, “This is the law of the Nazirite who vows his offering to the LORD in accordance with his separation, in addition to whatever else he can afford. He must fulfill the vow he has made, according to the law of the Nazirite”(6:21). https://www.gotquestions.org/Nazirite-vow.html

John the Baptist was a Nazarite or Nazirite from birth. The angel Gabriel said to Zacharias his father, “For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb” (Luke 1:15). At all times a Nazarite (Num. 6:2) was to control his appetite and passions to be in harmony with God’s moral law (Judges 13:5). (https://bibleask.org/was-john-the-baptist-a-nazarite/)

There is nothing in Scripture that indicates Jesus was also a Nazarite. He was called a Nazarene but that was because He was from Nazareth - not the same thing. Also, had Jesus been a Nazarite like His cousin John, He would not have drank wine nor touched the dead to bring them back to life as He did many times. As for long hair on a man, the custom in Jesus' day was that men had shortened hair and not worn like a woman's. Paul the Apostle even admonished believers that nature itself teaches that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him (I Corinthians 11:14).

44 posted on 07/09/2021 8:45:56 PM PDT by boatbums (Lord, make my life a testimony to the value of knowing you.)
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