[Catholic Caucus] Teaching on Homosexuality False?

https://the-american-catholic.com/2022/02/16/teaching-on-homosexuality-false/ ^ | February 16, 2022 | Guy McClung

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[Catholic Caucus] Teaching on Homosexuality False?

 

According to Cardinal Jean Claude Hollerich, Society of Jesus,  synodality expert, made a member of the College of Cardinals by the man currently wearing papal white,  President of the Commission of the Bishops’ Conferences of the European Union (COMECE), General Rapporteur- Relator General of the Synod of Bishops, Professor of German, French and European studies and Vice-Rector for General and Student Affairs of the Sophia University in Tokyo, President of the Council of Bishops’ Conferences of Europe’s Commission for Youth, Member of the Catholic student fraternity, AV Edo-Rhenania zu Tokio and of AV Rheinstein zu Köln im CV, Member of the Pontifical Council for Culture on and Member of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue:

“I believe that this is false. . . . But there is no homosexuality at all in the New Testament. There is only discussion of homosexual acts, which were to some extent pagan cultic acts. That was naturally forbidden. I believe it is time for us to make a revision in the foundation [Grundrevision: “ground revision,” or “foundation revision”] of the teaching.” And he said: “ . . .the way the Pope [i.e. the man currently wearing papal white] has expressed himself in the past [on homosexual actions and God making people this way] can lead to a change in doctrine.  . . . I think it is time for a fundamental revision of doctrine.”

According to God, Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth:

“ Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house.  They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”  . . . But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.  The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here,  because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.” . . .  Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens.  Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land.” (Genesis 19).

“Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” (Leviticus 18:22). “If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable.”  (Leviticus 20:13).

“The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness . . . For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools  and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.  Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.  Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.  They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips,  slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.” (Romans 1)

“Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.” (1 Cor 6).

“We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.” (1 Tim 1).

According to Holy Mother Church, the one, true, holy,  & apostolic Catholic Church of Jesus Christ:

“Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church, no. 2357).

“According to the objective moral order, homosexual relations are acts which lack an essential and indispensable finality. In Sacred Scripture they are condemned as a serious depravity and even presented as the sad consequence of rejecting God. This judgment of Scripture does not of course permit us to conclude that all those who suffer from this anomaly are personally responsible for it, but it does attest to the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered and can in no case be approved of.”  (Persona Humana, Declaration on Certain Questions Concerning Sexual Ethics, Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, December 29, 1975).

“At the same time the Congregation took note of the distinction commonly drawn between the homosexual condition or tendency and individual homosexual actions. These were described as deprived of their essential and indispensable finality, as being “intrinsically disordered”, and able in no case to be approved of. . .  In the discussion which followed the publication of the Declaration, however, an overly benign interpretation was given to the homosexual condition itself, some going so far as to call it neutral, or even good. Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.” (The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, October 1, 1986.).

“Sexual orientation” does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. “Letter,” No. 3) and evokes moral concern.” (Some Considerations Concerning the Response to Proposed Legislation on the Non-Discrimination of Homosexual Persons, Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, July 22, 1992).

“But the proper reaction to crimes committed against homosexual persons should not be to claim that the homosexual condition is not disordered. When such a claim is made and when homosexual activity is consequently condoned, or when civil legislation is introduced to protect behavior to which no one has any conceivable right, neither the church nor society at large should be surprised when other distorted notions and practices gain ground, and irrational and violent reactions increase  . . .  .What is at all costs to be avoided is the unfounded and demeaning assumption that the sexual behavior of homosexual persons is always and totally compulsive and therefore inculpable. What is essential is that the fundamental liberty which characterizes the human person and gives him his dignity be recognized as belonging to the homosexual person as well.” (Considerations Concerning Plans for the Legal Recognition of Unions between Homosexual Persons, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, June 3, 2003).

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And he said: “ . . .the way the Pope [i.e. the man currently wearing papal white] has expressed himself in the past [on homosexual actions and God making people this way] can lead to a change in doctrine. . . . I think it is time for a fundamental revision of doctrine.”

[humblegunner]

It’s harmful to your soul and also your butt.

[ebb tide]

Ping

[FlyingEagle]

Maybe this Cardinal would like to become Episcopalian - they believe all that gay stuff.

[who_would_fardels_bear]

Why oh why is the incidence of colon cancer going up?

[Skwor]

I do not see where it is unclear and where it can be compromised, G-d Has spoken most definitively on the subject

Lev 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

Lev 20:13
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Matt 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

[Huskrrrr]

Run, do not walk, from this doctrine. This is a false Church.

[john drake]

Bingo. Orthodox Jews, Orthodox Christians, Traditional Catholics and Evangelicals and other Christian denominations, (and oddly enough muslims), pretty much condemn homosexual acts.

But like all sinners, we want our primary sin to be excluded from the list. “You know, everybody does it, so why not?”

The human condition and all it’s fallen nature glory. Shame on them. It’s like Christ never came.

[Jim W N]

Teaching on Homosexuality False?

Depends on what the teaching is. (Is it OK to say that here?)

[NWFree]

“ Run, do not walk, from this doctrine. This is a false Church.”

If not for homosexuality what would they ever talk about? (or litigate for that matter) 🤪

[fatman6502002]

Apparently the current marxist Pope believes it also. I mean the Pope is the force behind the movement towards a woke catholic church. This marxist Pope is the spawn of satan, of that I have no doubt.

[NWFree]

“Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.” (Leviticus 18:22). “If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable.” (Leviticus 20:13).

[Hambone 1934]

All progressive Catholics want to strip sin from the bible.. God is sending everyone to heaven,no matter what you have done.....

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[FreshPrince]

Why? approval of homosexuality is NOT Catholic doctrine, nor will it ever be,despite what some wolves in the Church may desire.

[Dr. Sivana]

But there is no homosexuality at all in the New Testament. There is only discussion of homosexual acts, which were to some extent pagan cultic acts.

What would be the good of an inclination that can only lead to evil acts? If I am wary of kleptomaniacs, does that make me a kleptophobe, even if he hasn't been caught in the act?

[Dr. Sivana]

Run, do not walk, from this doctrine. This is a false Church.

The floor of hell is paved with the skulls of Cardinals who teach the opposite of Church doctrine. Here is what the current Catechism states:

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. It psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity (Cf. Genesis 19:1-29; Romans 1:24-27; 1 Corinthians 6:10; 1 Timothy 1:10), tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” (Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Persona humana, 8). They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

[allendale]

It would be extremely unwise for any rational, decent Catholic parent to entrust their child to a Jesuit. The once staunch Catholic order has devolved into an unspeakable cabal of agnostic hedonists.

[Telepathic Intruder]

Any priest, bishop, or cardinal who claims homosexuality is not a sin or a depravity has already started down the path of rejecting God’s truth for the devil’s lies. That can only end one way if continued. They should leave the church.

[allendale]

It would be extremely unwise for any rational, decent Catholic parent to entrust their child to a Jesuit. The once staunch Catholic order has devolved into an unspeakable cabal of agnostic hedonists.