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Rev310.net ^ | 4/15/22 | Pete Garcia

Posted on 04/17/2022 5:20:32 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal

Since the second century A.D., there have been numerous movements within greater "Christendom" that sought to supplant and replace national and ethnic Israel as God's chosen people. The early church fathers, some of whom were complicit in promoting this, also believed Jerusalem's destruction and the Jewish diaspora was a clear sign that the Jews were no longer God's elect. Moreover, this absence, of both the temple and the people, created a vacuum for the title of "God's chosen people," which, many Gentiles have since come to claim.

Miraculously, Israel was restored as a people and a nation in 1948. It took two world wars and a holocaust, but God strategically maneuvered world events to bring both the land and the people back together again after nearly two thousand years. What is even more incredible, is that there are still Gentiles and religious movements who believe, despite that reality, they are still God's elect and the Jews currently back in their land are somehow imposters.

As stated at the outset, this idea of "Replacement Theology" or Supersessionism, is not new. It went mainstream in the 4th century when Emperor Constantine normalized Christianity across the Roman Empire. What grew out of that was the Roman Catholic Church, which through its' Augustinian Eschatology (Amillennialism) came to believe they were the Kingdom, and their Pope was ruling vicariously in Jesus' place. Even after the Protestant Reformation in the 16th century, this idea of supersessionism carried over and most mainline protestants have embraced the notion that the Jews' role as God's chosen people, is ancient history.

Still, other groups have attempted to physically co-opt or hijack the Jewish identities as if they were the tribes themselves. Groups such as the Mormons, Black Hebrew Israelites, British Israelism, Armstrongism, and various groups within the Hebrew Roots Movement have done as much. There is a growing insistence amongst these groups that they are now the true Israel, and the ethnic Jews living in Israel today, are again, imposters.

Furthermore, there are a growing number of anti-Semitic groups within the cultural and political landscapes who make up both ends of the political spectrum. On the left (i.e. Democrats, Progressives, Antifa, Chrislam, BLM, etc.) have become increasingly hostile towards Jews and Israel. On the far-right, groups such as Q-Anon, Rick Wiles (TruNews), Christ at the Checkpoint, etc. routinely either denigrate Zionism as a whole or attempt to attach every conspiracy theory in the book to them. Nevertheless, all these groups seem to go hand in glove with the outright denial of a future, literal, reign of Christ on David's throne in Jerusalem (Luke 1:32-33).

Now, many of the aforementioned will admit that God still has a plan for “Israel” (national/ethnic Jews). However, what they mean is that since Christ has come and has fulfilled everything, He now is Israel (common amongst varying Post-Millennial, Amillennial, and Preterist positions). According to them, because Christ is the fulfillment of everything in the Old Testament, and we are now in Christ, we are Israel. Thus, the viewpoint of these is that God only ever had one people, for all time, and that through national Israel’s failings, we have not only been grafted in, but somehow, we have become the whole tree itself instead of just a lonely branch.

Granted, as Christians, we are indeed the ‘seed of Abraham’ in the spiritual sense (Gal 3:16). But that does not make the Church the ‘seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.’ Taken to its extreme, all that seems to do is discount God’s specific calling of a real people, who are physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (Rom 9:6-13). Quoting the conversation between God and Moses, the Apostle Paul records that God declares “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy.” In Romans 9, Paul further goes on to use Pharaoh as an example of God raising Him up, only so that He could use him to demonstrate His power.

For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. Rom 9:17-18

So it is with the creation of Israel, that God deliberately set Abram aside as a Gentile (Josh 24:2), and then through His calling, changes Abram to Abraham and from Sarai, to Sarah, where Moses then records Abram as being the first Hebrew in Scriptures. (Gen 14:13). And through Abraham’s son Isaac (the son of promise), they would become a physical nation whose calling was to be as a kingdom of priests before the Lord…

Now, therefore, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant,

then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people; for all the earth is Mine.

And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’

These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel.

Exodus 19:5-6

Paul further clarifies, that because of Israel’s rejection of their Messiah, God would cause a partial hardening to happen (Rom 11:25), but because of God’s unconditional promises to the patriarchs, they (Israel as a physical people) are beloved. So that puts them at odds directly with the Church in Paul’s day, and even unto our day, that this hardening has continued, and will continue until God once again turns His focus back upon the people that He originally called for Himself.

Concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election, they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, even so, these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all. Rom 11:28-32 (my emphasis)

When confronting those who make the case that we have replaced Israel, we can show a relatively easy clear distinction on just how the two are distinct. Since the Church is not an enemy to the cross, but redeemed by it, we cannot be the same thing as Israel, this, the argument their shifts. Proponents of replacement theology then begin to throw out vague terms like we are now true Israel or spiritual Israel by misinterpreting various passages in the New Testament.

According to Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, the term “Israel” is used 73 times in the New Testament, of which, the vast majority refers to national, ethnic Israel. Two verses I have had used on me repeatedly, Gal. 3:16 and Romans 9:6, SEEMS to lead one to the view that the Church has taken Israel’s place, however, only if taken completely out of the context with the rest of the chapter or even the book, as with Galatians. I would like to pull three quotes that capitalize on this point with extreme clarity. (See here)

– The usage of the terms Israel and the church in the early chapters of the book of Acts is in complete harmony, for Israel exists there alongside the newly formed church, and the two entities are kept separate in terminology [Ibid., p. 189].

– On the contrary, the apostle is concerned with correcting the gospel preached to the Galatians by the Judaizers, particularly their false contention that it was necessary to be circumcised to be saved and to observe as Christians certain requirements of the law of Moses in order to remain in divine favor…

– The apostle makes no attempt whatsoever to deny that there is a legitimate distinction of race between Gentile and Jewish believers in the church…There is a remnant of Jewish believers in the church according to the election of grace… This approach fails to see that Paul does not say there is neither Jew nor Greek within the church. He speaks of those who are “in Christ.”…But Paul also says there is neither male nor female, nor slave nor free man in Christ. Would he then deny sexual differences within the church? Or the social differences in Paul’s day? Is it not plain that Paul is not speaking of national or ethnic differences in Christ, but of spiritual status? In that sense there is no difference in Christ [Ibid., p. 190].

True Israel, then, are those Jews who have come to faith in their Jewish Messiah, Jesus Christ, and through faith have been redeemed by His blood, and not through the blood required of by the Mosaic covenant (the Law) i.e….. that of bulls, goats, and sheep. Hebrews 10:11-14 states…For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. But God also promised Abraham that he would be a ‘father of many nations,’ not only as numerous as the grains of sand on the seashores but as many as the stars in the heavens above.

Then the Angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time out of heaven, and said: “By Myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son— blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed My voice. Genesis 22:16-18 (my emphasis)

Perhaps God was telling Abraham prophetically that there would be both physical descendants (sand of the seashore) and spiritual ones (stars in the heavens). I don’t think Abraham would have understood that at that time, but what he was expecting, was a physical heir, one of his own flesh and blood, who would carry on his family line in perpetuity. And that is exactly what happened.

But as with the sand and the stars, one would come by the flesh, the other through like-faith. Two distinct nations unified in Christ in this dispensation, but who, still maintain their distinct physical identities. The Gentiles are the wild branch grafted in, and the other, the natural branch, becoming true Israel when united with Christ their Messiah.

Are we then True Israel if we are grafted in? Paul gives us the answer.

…You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. Rom 9:16-23

First of all, the olive tree is and isn’t Israel, because Israel isn’t a tree, it’s a nation. It represents Israel nationally, but it’s not even the tree itself, but just the branches. It is a metaphor meant to convey the place of privilege that Israel had prior to the Church’s conception at Pentecost. This example of the olive tree also cannot be speaking about salvation.

As born-again believers, can we be ‘cut off’ as Israel has?

No, because Paul writes in both Ephesians 1:11-14 and in 2 Corinthians 1:21-22, that we are purchased by God, and sealed by His Holy Spirit until the day of redemption. So if we could be cut off, Paul would be contradicting himself. What is at stake here is not of salvation, but of privilege.

What we are grafted into, is that same privilege in God’s economy, as Israel once had. Remember back to Exodus 19, where God assembled the nation of Israel together for the first time at Mt. Sinai and stated “then you shall be a special treasure to Me above all people”. Their calling was as a nation. The covenant they agreed to as a nation was conditional (Ex. 24:1-4) (if/then), but the Abrahamic covenant (Gen 15:12-20) was not because God made that covenant amongst Himself (smoking furnace and a burning lamp) on Abraham's behalf (as he was in deep sleep). Abraham’s calling and the covenants that ensued through Isaac and Jacob were unconditional.

Thus, if the Church replaces Israel, who they say represents the tree, then the whole tree would have to be cut down if it were to be cut off.

The Connection

So you and I as believers are grafted into this place of privilege in God’s sovereign plan, we are now God’s focus in this dispensation called the “Age of the Church.” We have been gifted with the giving of the Holy Spirit. We have a complete set of Scriptures. We also have forty+ centuries of hindsight that we can look back upon to see how God’s word has faithfully come to pass exactly as it said it would.

But regardless of our advantages, we as a people are no better than were the Jews of yesteryear. We still sin, because we are sinners. We still live in our sin-corrupted bodies, in a sin-stained world. The only difference between them and us is that we have the once and for all sacrifice applied to our lives, that we might become the righteousness of God through Christ. (2 Cor 5:21)

As for those who hold to this perverse adherence to replacement theology, they would have us believe we have achieved some level of superiority over the Jews. Whether that is admitted out loud, or only in their heads, is ludicrous all the same. It is all by God's grace and mercy, that we even have the opportunity to accept Jesus as Lord. It was only through the Jewish race that a Messiah could come. It was only through the patriarchs like Abraham that demonstrated to us what real faith looks like so that we could have a standard to measure our own lives against.

Did the Old Testament saints know what this future Messiah would come and do? Did the Old Testament prophets know what the Messiah would come and do? Surely they knew He would bring the Kingdom Come, but did they know how it would come? Did they know this Messiah would not only reconcile man to God but that He would also conquer death and hell? Scriptures tell us that not only did they long to understand His coming, but the angels as well. They got bits and pieces, but not the whole. (1 Peter 1:10-12)

Nevertheless, just as the Old Testament saints looked forward to His coming, we now have the luxury of looking back. God, through His sovereignty, chose Israel back then to be His people in the dispensations of promise and law. He did this to lay the foundations so a Messiah could come to provide salvation for all once His people rejected Him.

Before the foundation of the world, He chose the Church to be His vessel in this dispensation to spread the Good News of this salvation so that all may come. However, at the end of our dispensation, God will once again, return His attention back to national Israel. He will (because He is faithful to the uttermost) fulfill those unfulfilled, unconditional promises He made by covenant with them through their patriarchs. And if God could break His unconditional covenants with them, then we should be woefully fearful. Because if He could break His promises to them, what is stopping Him from breaking His promises to us?

It was the natural and logical thinking of fallen men to think that because of the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and their Temple, and because the Jews remained hostile to the Gospel due to this partial hardening, they must be cursed for all eternity. As the Church grow and became more Gentile, the tendency became to lay the blame for Christ’s crucifixion solely at the feet of the Jews who chanted "let His blood be upon us and our children" (Matt. 27:25). But are they singularly to blame? Let us look at the facts:

1. Judas Iscariot betrayed Christ (Zech 11:12-13; Matt 26:15, 27:3,9)

2. The Roman leadership washed their hands of Christ's corrupt trial. At the behest of the Jewish leaders, they then mocked, beat, scourged, and nailed Him naked to the cross. (Matt 27:27-31)

3. The Jews chanted “crucify Him” (Matt 27:24-26)

4. God the Father knowingly and willingly allowed it (Isa 53:10, Acts 2:23; Romans 8:32; 1 Peter 1:19-20)

5. You and I required it. (Gal 6:14; Eph 2:16; Col 1:20; Heb 12:2)

It was because of my sins that the Father determined before the foundation of the world, that He would need to bridge the gap between His perfect righteousness and my vile wickedness. It was His plan to bring through the Jewish people, the last Adam, Jesus the Christ, to be betrayed by Judas, rejected by His own people, tortured and crucified by the Romans, all on my behalf. Thus, I have no one to blame but myself.

Therefore, if those perverse people still insist that as a Christian, I am now Israel, then there is only one person I qualify to be.

I am Barabbas.


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Interesting tid bit: Barabbas literally means "Son of the Father" in Aramaic.

1 posted on 04/17/2022 5:20:32 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
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To: Roman_War_Criminal; Mrs.Z; ConjunctionJunction; Library Lady; patriot torch; Califreak; mlizzy; ...

Happy Easter!
He is Risen!

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Maranatha!


2 posted on 04/17/2022 5:21:18 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Israel is to the church as the caterpillar is to the butterfly.


3 posted on 04/17/2022 5:27:47 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
The early church fathers, some of whom were complicit in promoting this, also believed Jerusalem's destruction and the Jewish diaspora was a clear sign that the Jews were no longer God's elect.

The Jews who followed Jesus are the Jews who are God's elect. (And the Gentiles who are grafted onto the vine -- they too are God's elect.)

The Jews who reject Jesus are like the rebels who followed Korah. Are Korah's rebels still God's elect? Obviously not.

As John the Baptist said centuries later, God can make descendants for Abraham out of stones. Ethnicity or blood mean nothing.

Disagree? Take it up with John the Baptist.

The Good News is, anyone still alive, Jew or Gentile, can become part of the Chosen People by accepting Jesus. But reject Jesus, and you walk away from being Chosen. God is not replacing you. You've replaced yourself.

4 posted on 04/17/2022 5:39:08 AM PDT by Angelino97
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Thanks for your excellent analysis. The first “Replacement Theologist” was Justin (the) Martyr (executed 165), whose writings were refined and harvested by Eusebius of Caesarea (260-339), who was a strong advisor to Constantine, and wrote the ten books of “Church History”. I strongly recommend a book written by Dr. Paul L. Maier - “Eusebius - The Church History”. It is one of the better summaries that I have read regarding Constantine’s development of the early Church.


5 posted on 04/17/2022 5:43:26 AM PDT by silent majority rising ( )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I’m sure that’s purely coincidental.

/s


6 posted on 04/17/2022 5:44:08 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

“However, what they mean is that since Christ has come and has fulfilled everything, He now is Israel“

God declared the chosen people. He has never updated this. Therefore it remains in force.

What is a Jew? A Jew keeps the Torah. What is the Torah? It is the connection between Heaven and earth. It describes God and foretells the coming of the Messiah Time begins when the Word of God is upon the earth and known by men.The Jews transmit the Torah, utterly intact through Time. To me this is an important enough function to make the Jews “Chosen”. Kill the Jews and you kill the Torah. Kill the Torah and you kill God- including His foretold Messiah:


7 posted on 04/17/2022 6:00:35 AM PDT by TalBlack (We have a Christian duty and a patriotic duty. God help us.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The arrogance of “replacement” theologians to believe up to 40% of God’s promises pertain to their little church!


8 posted on 04/17/2022 6:16:19 AM PDT by 2nd Amendment
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To: circlecity

Correct.

I will note that the name Barabbas is “bar abbas” or “son of the father” namely that the other guy was a pretender Messiah, most likely a leader of a group planning to recreate the physical kingdom of Israel.

Quite a contrast between Jesus the Messiah and Jesus barabbas, the former with a kingdom not of this world and the latter looking to set up an earthly kingdom


9 posted on 04/17/2022 6:31:56 AM PDT by Cronos
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“Israel was restored as a people and a nation in 1948.”

That’s false, the people of Israel and the nation of Israel continued on for 2000 years of dispersal.


10 posted on 04/17/2022 6:33:17 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Angelino97

Well put angelino. As paul wrote in galatians 3

d] 9 So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus

28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.


11 posted on 04/17/2022 6:36:35 AM PDT by Cronos
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

Thanks very much for posting this.


12 posted on 04/17/2022 7:05:43 AM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: TalBlack

God declared the chosen people. He has never updated this. Therefore it remains in force.


Mal 1:2 “I have always loved you,” says the LORD. But you retort, “Really? How have You loved us?” And the LORD replies, “This is how I showed My love for you: I loved your ancestor Jacob,
Mal 1:3 but I rejected his brother, Esau,....................

To be chosen by God is no easy thing.

1) Can’t you just hear the retort above. “Go choose someone else, go love someone else , this is too hard.”

2) God chose Isreal for a purpose. It is good to reflect on what that purpose was....................


13 posted on 04/17/2022 7:12:59 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: TalBlack

2) God chose Israel for a purpose. It is good to reflect on what that purpose was....................


I need to correct the above:

God CHOOSES Israel for a purpose. It is good to reflect on what that purpose IS.

Mostly for my benefit. The Lord the God is a living God. He is still at work.


14 posted on 04/17/2022 7:30:26 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

He is risen indeed!!

Maranatha.


15 posted on 04/17/2022 7:51:22 AM PDT by grcuster
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

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16 posted on 04/17/2022 8:17:03 AM PDT by sauropod (So may we start? It's time to start. High time to start.)
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To: Cronos

Not as a nation - and don’t even start on this thread or the Religion Moderator will be notified.

Last warning!


17 posted on 04/17/2022 9:07:41 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: 2nd Amendment
“The arrogance of “replacement” theologians to believe up to 40% of God’s promises pertain to their little church!”

That little church is the bride of God himself.

18 posted on 04/17/2022 9:54:38 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: silent majority rising

I disagree with much of the premise of this article. The most important error I see is that Israel is the descendants of Jacob. That includes the twelve sons of Jacob and the two sons of Joseph who received blessings at the hand of Israel (Jacob) just as Israel’s (Jacob’s) sons. So while there are the 12 tribes of Israel there are really 14 when you include Ephraim and Manasseh but then you you have to subtract the name of Joseph giving you only thirteen.

I know of no Christian denomination that says they are Israel. I know of denominations that claim to be part of the lost tribes of Israel, Indeed the Mormons do not claim to be Israel but just like most protestants claim to be part of the missing tribes of Israel.

The state of Israel makes the claim to be only one of the tribes of Israel, Judah in particular. Therefore the state of Israel and family of Israel are two entirely different things. The State of Israel just as in the time of Christ represents only 2 of the tribes of Israel, again Judah and also Levi. In Jesus’ time the Northern Kingdom of Israel had already been scattered.

Abraham blessed his son with the blessing God gave him, we call this the Abrahamic Covenant even today and say that the world is populated by the descendants of Israel. Indeed The Lord told Abraham through his seed the world would be blessed. King David was a descendant of Abraham as was The Savior, The lord Jesus Christ through His mother Mary. Therefore the world is saved through the seed of Abraham in that Jesus is a descendant of Abraham. Which tribe would Jesus have been a member of? Well since there were only two tribes left in Israel at the time of Jesus He had to be of Judah or Levi. We aren’t really told His tribal identity but we are given hints. He had a cousin, John whose father was a priest of the temple which means that Zachariah was a Levite. That means that while Mary was a daughter of David there was the blood of Levi in her family too. So was Jesus a Levite or a Jew? I think a good argument could be made for both. Tradition however has called Him a Jew, or descendant of the tribe of Judah.

I think that anyone in the world who calls themselves part of Israel is likely correct since The Lord told Abraham that his seed would be as the stars in the sky or grains of sand on the beaches.

Today we have a state made up mostly of the tribe of Judah who call themselves Israel. They do not claim to be all that is left of the tribes of Jacob they indeed claim to be Judah for the most part just as in the days of The Savior.

Now for the real meat of the thesis, who are the chosen of God today, who are God’s people?

I think there are two different concepts here. First, the Lord gave the example of the shepherds putting their sheep in an enclosure for safety at night and then the next day calling them out. There were more than one herd in the enclosure but when the shepherd called his sheep in the morning only those that were his followed his voice. He was referring to His sheep in the parable, those who have accepted Jesus Christ as The Son of God, The Savior of the World. We know His voice and follow it and are His. That fact does not change the fact that the children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are His chosen people. Again, we have two classifications here, the people of God and God’s people or God’s chosen. Those descended from Abraham are God’s chosen people, not just Judah but all the tribes. According to the New Testament if we Follow Christ and are not descended from Abraham then we are adopted into the family of Abraham as part of the family of Christ’s followers.

Christ Lives.


19 posted on 04/17/2022 10:17:11 AM PDT by JAKraig (my religion is at least as good as yours.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

As to the Jews. Jesus was a Jew, and as a Christian I say: you can’t love the Tree (Jesus) and hate the Root (Jews). God called His people (Israel) “stiff necked” (Exodus 32:9), but He never quit loving them. I also believe Genesis 12:3 in still in effect, men have tried to erase it, but God has not.


20 posted on 04/17/2022 10:20:08 AM PDT by FiddlePig (The greatest threat to our sacred liberty is to not value it!””)
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