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I looked at the sign back when it happened and I wonder if it can be understood. It could mean that the events in Revelation have started. Does Revelation 12 happen before Revelation 11?

Here are some points to ponder concerning this question. The seventh trumpet in Revelation 11 has a changing of the guard. “The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ.” This is what happens at the Second Coming. Is the judgment of the dead in verse 18 the same judgment as Revelation 20:12?

Rev 10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.

I think the second prophecy begins at Revelation 11:19. Unlike the Bethlehem star which cold be seen at night, the sign of Revelation 12:1-2 could not be seen. You cannot see the moon when it is next to the sun. You could not see the war in heaven either (vs 7).

Is the harvest of Revelation 14:16, where the evil ones are left behind for judgment, the rapture? This could put the events of Chapter 13 before the rapture. The forty-two months in chapter 13:5 are not necessarily the same time as the forty-two months in chapter 11:2. in fact there are 5 times in chapter 11-13 that may be different times. Note three and a half years is either 43 or 44 months depending on where you start counting. There are 12 months in the short years and 13 months in the long years in order to keep the seasons right (metonic cycle). As far as I know, the solar and lunar cycles are the same today as they were back then.

Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Will there be seven years of plenty before this famine? Is that where we are now where everyone can look at the Bible on their phone at any time? Not many people knew about the seven years of plenty. God did not tell Jacob.

This is one of the problems with applying the Greek interpretation method to Revelation. It is not a single chronology. It is a series of visions. Things are in sequence only in a single vision. The visions overlap, so Chapter 12 covers everything from September 23-24, 2017 up until “17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” That is after Satan is thrown out of Heaven with his angels. Pretty sure, bad as it is, this hasn’t gotten that bad. This must be during the reign of the Beast, so there are still Christians around to persecute during that period. Now we can pray to be kept from that time, but we must be prepared to see it through to the end.

Brenda Weltner lays this all out better than anyone I have seen on her YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@brendaweltner9629