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Nearly 200 Hoosier churches leave United Methodist Church
wndu ^ | Jun. 12, 2023 | Maria Catanzarite

Posted on 06/13/2023 6:13:41 AM PDT by jaydubya2

NDIANA (WNDU) - The size of the Indiana Conference of the United Methodist Church (INUMC) is somewhat shrinking after nearly 200 congregations cut ties with the Protestant denomination.

Last week, the annual INUMC meeting saw 174 disaffiliations approved. Regional and local pastors cite human sexuality viewpoints as the main reason behind the split.

Pastor Vickie Van Nevel, of First United Methodist Church in South Bend, said current UMC rules forbid pastors to perform same-sex marriages within a church and don’t allow openly gay Methodist pastors to minister.

“As we’ve all spoken, there are plenty of pastors who’ve not come out because they know what the ramifications are,” remarked Van Nevel.

Late last year, an additional 100 or so churches left INUMC. 700 Hoosier churches are still affiliated with the United Methodist Church, according to Rev. Dr. Marti Lundy, Superintendent of the North District of the INUMC.

Van Nevel’s congregation isn’t leaving.

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1 posted on 06/13/2023 6:13:41 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

False teachers...Jesus speaks of this often. The devil uses sex as his biggest tool to destroy everything....even the churches.


2 posted on 06/13/2023 6:16:35 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: mikelets456

Should have read “perverted sex...”


3 posted on 06/13/2023 6:17:14 AM PDT by mikelets456
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To: jaydubya2
The late Harry Hoosier would be proud! He's was what Declaration signer, Benjamin Rush, described as the most gifted speaker of his time. "Black Harry" was very much a part of the First Great Awakening as a Methodist minister heavily promoting the holiness movement in America.

https://harryhoosierproject.org/the-story

4 posted on 06/13/2023 6:20:12 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Tell It Right

That’s interesting. I haven’t heard that story before.


5 posted on 06/13/2023 6:22:22 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

“Van Nevel’s congregation isn’t leaving.”... “Pastor Vickie”...

Why am I not surprised by that?

An example of the healthy flesh leaving the infection.


6 posted on 06/13/2023 6:24:41 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: jaydubya2

If they’re still claiming a 501c3 then it’s merely virtue signaling.


7 posted on 06/13/2023 6:33:15 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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To: jaydubya2

My great, great grandfather helped to found a Methodist Church out here in a very small town in the Bible belt around 1850.

My family was graciously invited back to celebrate its 150th anniversary in the early 2000’s.

I took my father who was in his eighties and who had left his Methodist church for a Pentecostal church.

But it was a moving moment as this church appeared to be true to its foundations as the Methodist churches that my father had attended had long since fallen away.

But then again that was twenty years ago.


8 posted on 06/13/2023 6:37:54 AM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: jaydubya2

Why do some people demand that a former faith change instead of admitting their beliefs do not conform to that faith, and then go out and form a new faith/church/religion.

Is this another case of “follow the money”. Is it just that they want the property formed by the faith as it was for centuries? And instead of honoring that faith, they want the property and the different faith as well?


9 posted on 06/13/2023 6:40:09 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: jaydubya2
Hoosier was a pistol. The holiness movement was basically the Protestant churches getting away from the fallacy of thinking we don't have to live holy lives because we're saved by grace. Basically, even if us Protestants are correct in believing we're saved by grace, we're still called to live it like we mean it. John Wesley, who led the Methodist church, was very much a part of that movement. His top dog in the American colonies at the time was Francis Asbury; Hoosier was Asbury's assistant.

Over and over there were reports up and down the colonies of people getting excited that Asbury was coming to town. There'd be a packed house with the windows open in part for the people outside to be able to hear. Over and over the people outside told each other they couldn't wait until Asbury finished and came outside so they could congratulate him on his awesome sermon, only to be surprised that it probably wasn't Asbury. (remember Hoosier's nickname was Black Harry LOL)

Hoosier was known to preach abolition to the whites, even wile preaching in the deep south. Of course, the blacks amen'd him. Then he'd preach abstinence to the single blacks and told the married blacks to quit cheating on their wives. He pulled no punches with anyone, yet he was very respected.

This is part of America's (and England's) shift back towards God in the First Great Awakening. This is part of the whites being emboldened to stand up to the crown even though King George was technically the head of the Anglican Church (a reason Methodists and other non-Anglican churches gained in popularity). This is part of why the U.S. was thiiisssss close to being an abolitionist country even with the Declaration of Independence (look up Jefferson's first draft) and a decade alter with the Constitution. According to Jefferson (and IIRC Hamilton) in both the Declaration convention and the Constitution convention, 11 of the 13 states were willing to start the country getting rid of slavery. Only Georgia and South Carolina put their foot down and said they weren't starting a new country unless slavery could continue. IMHO, that's an amazing almost accomplishment for the 18th century and led the way to things like later the Slave Trade Act of 1807 banning the import of new slaves beginning in 1808 (and of course eventual abolition as the abolition movement kept growing).

So what happens next? What if those of us who are Christians today take on Hoosier's live it like ya mean it attitude?

10 posted on 06/13/2023 6:43:48 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1st Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: Biblebelter

There are quite a few Methodist congregations that haven’t drunk from the Whore of Babylon’s cup. They’re leaving the UMC as fast as they can extricate themselves from the corrupted episcopacy. Pray for them. Blessings in Christ!


11 posted on 06/13/2023 6:46:28 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Jesus is LORD and Savior! And Donald Trump is President of the United States of America.)
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To: jaydubya2

The ‘United Methodist’ Church doesn’t seem too ‘United’. In fact, they should rename “Divided Methodist Church’.


12 posted on 06/13/2023 6:46:47 AM PDT by silent majority rising
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To: jaydubya2

The big business side of the various Christian denominations from the oldest and largest to the newest and smallest makes me very fearful of trusting my immortal soul to damn near any of them. They all seem to have become very fluid in their beliefs & dogma. What was a mortal sin just a few years ago is now part of the Sunday lesson.
I now believe, me & my Bible are much better off on our own.


13 posted on 06/13/2023 6:56:56 AM PDT by Tupelo (A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand)
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To: jaydubya2

I grew up in the country. Church was a part of the town. People doing things for others in the town. Money tithed stayed in the town.

After not going to Church in college, I searched for the fellowship of the community in church again as I began my adult life. Meaningful helping of others, positive messages, positive growth, etc. Found nothing of the sort. Sermons are hour long solicitations for donations. Lot of political fighting - left and right like everything else. The whole going to Church scene in the suburbs is not what it used to be. Hard to explain. No longer for me.


14 posted on 06/13/2023 6:57:25 AM PDT by IamConservative (I was nervous like the third chimp in line for the Ark after the rain started.)
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To: jaydubya2

“plenty of pastors who’ve not come out because they know what the ramifications are”.

Might have found a better way to put this.


15 posted on 06/13/2023 7:02:35 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Wuli

Not even that - they want to alter or change the faith, to be something it’s not, and cannot be.

Whether they are deluded, mislead or inherently that evil, they (willingly or otherwise) intend on destroying the church.

These actions of the ‘tolerant’ are demonic in origin.


16 posted on 06/13/2023 7:25:34 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: jaydubya2

Church’suse to represent morals
Now the church’s seek donations and to hell with morals


17 posted on 06/13/2023 8:12:33 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Kimber .45 )
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To: jaydubya2

The story just came out yesterday afternoon.


18 posted on 06/13/2023 8:26:32 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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