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To: Chicory
Sin is a disease or deformity in a manner of speaking. Every human being has it.

If any human being were free of sin, they could have gone to the Cross instead of Jesus.

That said, Mary was the most wonderful, least sinful, and most highly honored of any female who ever lived (obviously).

BTW, if Mary were sinless (free of the disease and deformity of spirit), that would also mean that her parents were free of it...and their parents...and so on...back to the beginning of humanity.

18 posted on 08/16/2023 7:18:37 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (A person who seeks the truth with strong bias will never find it. He will only confirm his bias.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I should have included you in my post to BipolarBob just above. My apologies!

I am puzzled by your distinction between going to the Cross and going to Jesus? Why would anyone go to the Cross without Jesus?


50 posted on 08/16/2023 8:15:00 AM PDT by Chicory
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To: RoosterRedux; Chicory

The Angel Gabriel was sent by God to a virgin, named Mary and said “Hail full of grace, the Lord is with you!”

This is the only biblical instance where an angel addresses someone by title and not name. While “full of grace” comes from St Jerome’s Latin vulgate it lacks some of the depth of the Greek word which means that God has already “graced” Mary previous to this point. God endowed Mary with an abundance of grace for the vocation of divine motherhood.

Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit, and she exclaimed with a loud cry:
“Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!”

Jesus as incarnate by the Holy Spirit, the union of divinity with humanity.

While there are many opinions and some false beliefs about our Christian beliefs, we should strive to know, understand and believe in God’s truth and not Man’s or the devil truth.

If we read and understand God’s Truth in the Bible that was passed down from the teachings of Jesus and the Sacred Traditions of Jesus and the Apostles verbally. Some beliefs we have to accept on faith as our human nature may not allow us yet to fully understand some divine truths.

As the Bible reports Jesus established one Church, now known as the Catholic Church with Jesus as the head and baptized members on earth (The Militant), those in Purgatory (The Suffering) and those in Heaven (The Triumphant). The Militant with the help of grace are learning to follow the path that leads to the narrow gate.

As Christians we need to fully understand and believe in God’s Truth. We need to beware of false prophets. (Mt 7). God wants unity in his church. Some of God’s truths are hard to follow, but we need to follow God and not our own wants.

From the very beginning there have been followers who listened to Jesus but did not accept his teachings and followed false truths (heresies) from man or the devil.

We need to focus on our path to salvation by following God’s Truth and not man’s (or the devil’s) version of God’s truth.

As Jesus warned us the ways of the world will try to lead us away from Him and we will be persecuted.

We can see this in the divergent on how we believe and worship God within the Christian community.

We can see it in our government in some of the false policies they pursue and attempt to punish Christian beliefs.


149 posted on 08/16/2023 2:37:35 PM PDT by ADSUM ( )
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To: RoosterRedux

The belief that the God bearer was free of sin does not mean that the parents of Mary were the same.

Just as the ark was blessed to be holy - the “holiness” of the ark was purely the emanation from the Holy One within.

Mary’s role is purely to point towards her son — Our Lord and God. She is nothing without Him, the belief is that she was kept from sin by God, not by her own actions (or non-actions) and that belief is all about God, about the wondrous actions of God, not of Mary


160 posted on 08/17/2023 3:16:31 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: RoosterRedux
BTW, if Mary were sinless (free of the disease and deformity of spirit), that would also mean that her parents were free of it...and their parents...and so on...back to the beginning of humanity.

If Mary were sinless, she wouldn’t have died.

179 posted on 08/17/2023 7:04:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Retired USAF air traffic controller. Father of USAF Captain & pilot. Both bitten by the aviation bug)
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