Posted on 09/02/2023 1:04:15 PM PDT by Morgana
In 2015, Bethel Church pastor Seth Dahl preached a sermon called ‘An Unexpected Route To Joy.’ In an epic butchery of the gospel and a fundamental misunderstanding of the forgiveness of Christ, Dahl claimed he encountered Jesus in a vision, who then asked him to forgive HIM.
At the time of the sermon, Dahl was Bethel Chuch’s children’s pastor whose merchandise was (and is still) carried in their store. He has since left and founded his own group of companies geared around teaching and coaching families and children, including Seth Dahl Ministries, where he offers churches personalized children’s ministry coaching for $500 a month, with a minimum three-month commitment ($1500). This coaching consists of one 55-minute Zoom session per month (not even a full hour) which is a lot of money for 165 minutes worth of work.
In this clip, however, which Bethel purposefully clipped and featured on their YouTube channel, Dahl explains:
I had a pastor say some things that hurt me really bad. Hurt me so bad, messed me up emotionally, mentally, really mess me up. Nothing physical, nothing like that. A pastor I really respected said some words and hurt me so bad.
And one time I was laying on the floor, actually it was in this room, I’m laying on the floor and in a vision, in an encounter with God in a vision, Jesus picks me up and holds me so close that I can’t see anything.
And he holds me so close, and Jesus starts to weep. And he says, “Please forgive me. Please forgive me.” I said ‘what are you talking about, please forgive you?’ He said, “when that pastor hurt you, it’s as if I hurt you, because he’s a member of my body. Please forgive me.”
While there are few things a Bethelite likes more than coming up with new and novel theology, it should go without saying that this is very, very stupid. We ask Jesus to forgive us, not the other way around, and this not the way Jesus takes the blame for his church. Also give a bit of specificity to the hurt and it gets real weird real fast. I.e: “when that pastor did XYZ to you, it’s as if I did XYZ to you.”
“…Any pain I hold on to from a believer, any unforgiveness I hold on to from another believer, Jesus actually takes it, the bl- think about the cross; what Jesus did. He did not sin, but he paid for ours. He did not sin but he let us kill him for our sin. He took the blame for us. He took our blame and let us punish him for our stuff.
Taking our blame and letting us “punish him for our stuff” is not what happened on Calvary, and we have no reason to believe any of this happened or that it came from God, rather than a demon with a particularly cruel and wry sense of humor.
So why would he not look at you and say, ‘that pain you’re holding on to, that hurt you’re holding on to, that unforgiveness you’re holding on to, look; holding it against them is like you’re holding it against me because they’re a member of my body’?
And I wept when I realized I’d been in pain from God. From what I thought was God. I don’t know if that made sense. It wasn’t that God inflicted the pain, it’s that God took the blame for inflicting the pain and holding it against my brother was like I was holding it against God.
And I wept and wept and I wept as I forgave Jesus for something he didn’t do, but someone else did.
The Holy Nope, who recently interacted with his clip, also points this out:
If you are so spiritual that you are having vision encounters with Jesus, wouldn’t the spirit of God in you be concerned about getting the gospel right?
It was not us who punished Jesus, it was the Father. As a substitute for us and sacrifice for our sin, (Jesus) bore the full load of his people’s guilt, like a lamb without spot or blemish, on whom our sin is laid and was slaughtered under the wrath of God atoning for sin and satisfying God’s justice against his church.
Does Seth Dahl understand the cross and is there a connection here between such fundamental misunderstandings and these kinds of wild spiritual experiences?”
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That is completely whack-a-doodle theology. Run.
The dude is in the Bible. Look under ‘false teachers’, ‘false prophets’, ‘deceivers of their own selves’,.. etc.
I conclude that there’s lots of bad teaching out there and you have good discernment.
I hope.
Just seen a similar issue on YouTube shorts——?
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What’s Wrong with You People?
Hes in sooooo much trouble. God will not be mocked
Lots of luck at the Great White Throne judgement.
There was one on Free Republic last week that stated Jesus was homophobic and racist....I’ve been saying it for awhile...Progressive Christians think Jesus is an idiot and only “”they “” can save humanity.....
hot take
“false teachers’, ‘false prophets’, ‘deceivers of their own selves’,.. etc.”
Yep. Lots of that these days. It makes me cringe when I have dared to watch so many of these “mega Church pastors” preach (via Youtube) their own personal and distorted gospel. So much of what they say is beyond my comprehension that anybody can be so full of themselves and their own ego that they blatantly and consciously create and preach a false gospel.
What’s worse is that they have thousands of people that sit in the pews and listen obediently and believe every word that comes out of their mouths while also giving tons of money into that pastor’s pocket.
Wasn’t this the church that had a respected and anointed worship ministry for awhile?
Sooner or later, the A of G churches lose it because they are under the false doctrine of righteousness by the law instead of righteousness as a gift by grace (Romans 5:17).
He’s got serious projection issues.
People blame God all the time for the tragedy in their lives, or harm committed by church members. It’s a big part of why some people can’t accept faith in God until they are able to let go of their anger and hurt.
This is the kind of stuff The “Reverend” Jim Jones was saying 50 years ago.
It was not us who punished Jesus, it was the Father ...Not what the Bible says. All of humanity is guilty of the blood of Jesus; to say the Father punished Jesus shifts guilt to the Father.
I do not comprehend this level of madness.
“It’s the lord’s Rolls Royce.”
These word of faith/ new apostolic reformation, pretty much go hand in hand. They are whack jobs. I saw a you tube video of Jesse Duplantis doing essentially the same thing. False teachers for sure.
Replacment Thelogy, Prosperity Gospel, the doctrine that the gifts of THE HOLY SPIRIT have stopped, the social Gospel, so much error.
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