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Diocese too liberal, book says [Supports Paid Pro-Homosexual Psychologist}
The Tribune Democrat ^ | 5/5/02 | SUSAN EVANS

Posted on 05/05/2002 2:44:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: Domestic Church
Why didn't "I watched" hit the fire alarm...anything to stop this digusting horror

I know I watched.

I wish it were as easy as that.

When you're in a diocese where homosexuals are named monsignors and given the prime parishes, and where the seminary staff is openly gay, just how far do you think one orthodox seminarian would get in trying to hit the fire alarm.

One orthodox seminarian can only leave and find another place.

Another of our seminarians was sent for psychological eval to a facility outside Philly recently. He was "too rigid" also. But he's tough and won't let them break him. He's being ordained next week. This new crop of priests are good, faithful, orthodox. The liberals are taking their last dying grasps, but obviously plan to take as many souls with them as possible.

41 posted on 05/05/2002 6:46:30 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: B Knotts
I think we need a kind of elite squad of assistant inquisitors

I'm all for this but I think they're going to need a different title if you get my drift;)

42 posted on 05/05/2002 6:47:34 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: stands2reason
The operative word underlying these scandals is liberal
43 posted on 05/05/2002 6:49:31 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: sinkspur
Many of the bishops "ruling" the Church in Christ's Name have made a grand mess of things, haven't they?

Without a doubt.

44 posted on 05/05/2002 6:59:16 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: B Knotts
You're not going to deny, are you, that there are many parishes which violate canon law on a regular basis?

I wouldn't know. I go to one parish, and "canon law" is followed to the letter.

If you have the time to patrol practices in different parishes, make notes, and turn these guys into to the bishop, knock yourself out.

I was a hall monitor in junior high and the job of snitch just doesn't appeal to me anymore.

Oh, BTW, nobody in Rome is going to listen to you.

45 posted on 05/05/2002 6:59:18 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: NYer
That link literally turned my stomach.
46 posted on 05/05/2002 7:04:22 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: St.Chuck
Dr. Brown, I suppose, is your idea of the laity being more involved.

Dr. Brown's a weirdo.

If I were a bishop and using a psychiatrist to evaluate seminarians, I'd pick a Jewish female, someone who has no vested interest in eliminating one type of seminarian or another. I'd pay her, and she'd follow the profile I set.

And, she'd have to agree to keep her name out of the papers. Not all publicity is good publicity, as the article above attests.

47 posted on 05/05/2002 7:05:53 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I gew up in Altoona, spent much time in Sinking Valley and Spruce Creek. I miss the area, though I'm still in the diocese, in Johnstown PA

One of my great consolations is knowing that my roots too are in Cambria County--blessed by the heritage of Father Gallitzen and the faithful Catholics he gathered around him in Loretto and the surrounding area. Many of my ancestors there showed us the way to live as true Catholics and were deeply imbedded in the truth even though many of them could neither read nor write. It still amazes me that Rembert Weakland could have come out of these roots. How he has betrayed us! But we can be grateful for Dr. Michael Novak and Dr. Brian Kopp who still proclaim the truth in the midst of adversity.----Am going to visit the graves of my ancestors at St. Michael's Cemetery in Loretto and the cemetery in Conawego in early August. Hope I live that long.

48 posted on 05/05/2002 7:24:48 PM PDT by Renatus
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To: sinkspur
I wouldn't know. I go to one parish, and "canon law" is followed to the letter.

I go to one parish, and "canon law" is mostly obeyed, with some exceptions regarding Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers.

If you have the time to patrol practices in different parishes, make notes, and turn these guys into to the bishop, knock yourself out.

Please stop misrepresenting what I said. I specified "assistant inquisitors," who would quite obviously not be lay people, which would leave me out of it. I already have a job; thank you. Furthermore, I don't think enforcing the teachings of the Church constitutes "snitching."

The things I'm concerned about are the types of things talked about in this article, where diocesan officials are in direct disobedience to the Magisterium on doctrinal issues. I think that's somewhat important. Apparently, you disagree. So be it.

49 posted on 05/05/2002 7:43:32 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Diago
You were right on point with that remark.I need to repeat it for those who missed it."GIVE US BARABBAS.I alsays thought it interesting and in these times especially, that the name Barabbas means "son of man".
50 posted on 05/05/2002 7:46:42 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: sinkspur
BTW, let me just ask you point blank...do you think practicing homosexuals should be allowed to stay in the priesthood and/or enter the seminaries?
51 posted on 05/05/2002 7:49:56 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Domestic Church
Why didn't "I watched" hit the fire alarm...

Because they're treating the seminary like a frat party ... or some Mardi Gras gone wild where girls can be passed around like cave carne canapes?

I guess you can tell it was just a seminary by the way the predator neither shared nor had pix to pass around afterwards.

ANIMAL HOUSE IN PORN SHOCKER (Dartmouth)

52 posted on 05/05/2002 7:58:32 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: B Knotts
If only.
53 posted on 05/05/2002 8:12:25 PM PDT by tiki
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To: sinkspur
I've been trying to figure out just who your posts reminded me of. They seemed so familiar. Then I got it. You sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Agains who are constantly slandering the Church, trying to convince me it is the whore of Babylon. I hope to God you aren't sharing you "enlightened" " progressive" views in your ministries.
54 posted on 05/05/2002 8:20:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Jeff Chandler
I think sinkspur's a good guy; we just have some disagreements. I wouldn't disparage his personal character just because of those disagreements, no matter how frustrating he can be.
55 posted on 05/05/2002 8:25:12 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
I'm not disparaging his personal character, I'm just stating what his posts remind me of. I am quite sincere. No insult intended. I've seen some very nice people use their positions in ministries of RCIA, marriage prep, Confirmation, etc. to spread misinformation and dissent, and I pray that is not happening in his case.
56 posted on 05/05/2002 8:30:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: B Knotts
do you think practicing homosexuals should be allowed to stay in the priesthood and/or enter the seminaries?

No to both. But, good luck on finding out who are the "practicing homosexuals" among ordained priests.

57 posted on 05/05/2002 9:07:32 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Jeff Chandler
You sound like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Born-Agains who are constantly slandering the Church, trying to convince me it is the whore of Babylon. I hope to God you aren't sharing you "enlightened" " progressive" views in your ministries.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything.

And, if you think I'm "slandering the Church", then you're galactically stupid.

I've been engaged in the RCIA and Engaged Couples ministry for seven years. Nobody seems to have a problem with my views.

Maybe you ought to contact BKnotts; he needs some snitches to roam the parishes in search of violators of canon law.

58 posted on 05/05/2002 9:11:55 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: B Knotts
The things I'm concerned about are the types of things talked about in this article, where diocesan officials are in direct disobedience to the Magisterium on doctrinal issues. I think that's somewhat important. Apparently, you disagree. So be it.

Frankly, I'd be more worried about the people who run through red lights six blocks up the street.

Maybe we could station some "inquisitors" up there to turn in license plate numbers to the Euless cops.

59 posted on 05/05/2002 9:16:01 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I didn't say you were slandering the Church, and I won't call you galactically stupid, just someone who reads too quickly and infers more than is implied.
60 posted on 05/05/2002 9:34:01 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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