Posted on 05/05/2002 2:44:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
Is it too much to ask that the people responsible for the practice and formation of the Catholic Faith, adhere to the doctrines and laws of the Catholic Faith? Are traffic violations really more important to you than open dissention against the Church? Do you teach respect for the Church in your ministries, or do you teach them that "WE ARE THE CHURCH" and we should be able to make the rules? Inquiring minds want to know.
By the way, do you teach those new Catholics that the Church aught to be ordaining married men, or are you repectful enough to keep dissenting opinions in check during your ministry? This is not an accusation, I really want to know. I've seen people teach all sorts of things to Initiates, sort of taking advantage of the opportunity to recruit people to their causes.
This is going to be my final post to FRee Republic.
I've finally decided to call it quits, and devote more time to my family.
I've already had my Dr. Brian Kopp screen name account deleted. This is an account I set up as a joke several months ago for a fellow FReeper, which I never intended using further (no, I don't have any other screen names).
However, I just wanted to say so long, and let you all know how much I've enjoyed the friendship and fellowship of many fine people here.
May God Bless you all abundantly and have Mercy on us all.
Sincerely,
Dr. Brian Kopp
(I'll be having this account deleted too. Hold the Fort, Folks!)
Considering that Aquinas doesn't mention homosexuality in animals (though he does mention bestiality), maybe the guy was thinking of some other Thomas Aquinas.
Thanks for the link.
Some of the laity are a lot louder than others; Shakespeare didn't call democracy "the many-headed monster" for nothing.
He also doesn't seem to go around stirring things up and making trouble. I always liked him.
I'm no expert on the Summa, but if your intuition is that Dr. Brown is on crack, you'd be correct. The following is from a review by Paul Dietrich of the book, The Invention of Sodomy in the Christian Religion from the April 1998 edition of First Things:
Jordan is clearly more comfortable when considering the works of St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas. His earlier study, Ordering Wisdom: The Hierarchy of Philosophical Discourses in Aquinas (1986), is a well-regarded contribution to the understanding of St. Thomas. For St. Albert homosexual intercourse is a sin against grace, reason, and nature. Jordan laments "Albert’s refusal to think coherently," that is, his citation of Arabic lore on most medical topics in contrast to his appeal to Christian moral teachings when it comes to homosexuality. Although Jordan rescues St. Thomas from the misreadings of other gay historians (such as John Boswell), he finds what he describes as "instabilities" in Thomas’ denunciation of sodomy as the unnameable vice that more than other sins is against nature and against God.A close reading of several scholastic texts with an eye toward holes in the argument suffers from the same flaws as Jordan’s earlier treatment of monastic authors. Insufficient attention is paid to the historical and cultural contexts of these arguments. Why is it, asks Jordan, that so much energy is expended on denunciations of sodomy compared with the more lenient treatment of other sins in the medieval catalogue of vices, say, murder, usury, simony, or adultery?
Why, indeed. Medieval monastic and scholastic authors presumably had less pastoral experience than did the regular clergy with murder, adultery, and usury, or even with standard clerical sins such as simony, nicolaitism (clerical marriage), and concubinage. As members of male religious houses, however, Benedictine monks (like St. Peter Damian) had in common with Dominican friars (like Saints Albert and Thomas) a concern for the moral, spiritual, and psychological health of a same-sex religious community.
So Dr. Brown's understanding of St. Thomas' teaching is upside down regarding the desirability of ordaining priests with homosexual inclinations. You could knock me over with a feather.
This sort of debating tactic is beneath you.
Surely Dr. Brown is likely only guilty of a simple misreading! Easy as anything to miss an "un-" in front of "-natural"!
Get rid of the bishop for starters. Clean up the seminaries of homosexuals AND START TEACHING THE REAL CATHOLIC FAITH. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FOUND IN THE CATECHISM.
Uh, Yeah, I would say that's about right?!?! They'd make GOOD epicopalians.
Duh?
There will be no discrimination and no harassment. Throw them ALL out and there won't be any problem.
This is not just a Vatican II byproduct; this stuff began back in the '30s shortly after the Epicopalians declared contraception legitimate. Read McInnerney's "What went wrong with Vatican II". Their were many bishops at the council already weilding the modernist mantra, salivating at the mouth, ready to pounce on traditional Catholic teachings in favor of their modernist ideologies.
Should we be surprised at the present condition of our seminaries. The great majority of seminaries as well as Catholic colleges and universities have lost their Catholic identity. This is what our great Pope St. Pius X fought against and feared. I pray he intercedes for us now.
Great work!
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