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Diocese too liberal, book says [Supports Paid Pro-Homosexual Psychologist}
The Tribune Democrat ^ | 5/5/02 | SUSAN EVANS

Posted on 05/05/2002 2:44:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Diocese too liberal, book says

By SUSAN EVANS, The TRIBUNE-DEMOCRAT May 05, 2002

A controversial new book names the Altoona-Johnstown Roman Catholic Diocese as one of many dioceses that turns away qualified candidates for the priesthood in favor of a “gay subculture” and threatens the Church with dangerous reforms.

The book criticizes a State College psychologist who screens candidates for the diocese, saying his view of homosexuality is too liberal.

In response, the diocese says the author never contacted the diocese to verify any facts, and that the author lacks credibility.

The psychologist says the characterization is false, the author is a hate-monger, and his conservative critics are “the Catholic Taliban.”

The book “Goodbye! Good Men” describes a predatory “gay subculture” in some seminaries, and psychological screening that eliminates orthodox heterosexual males from the priesthood.

Written by conservative Cincinnati author Michael Rose and published by Regnery Publishing Inc. of Washington, the book contends “liberals are bringing corruption into the Catholic Church.”

Although penned before the burgeoning sex scandals, the book now has become a battle cry for conservative Catholics in this region.
It has also reignited a 2-year-old controversy within the Altoona-Johnstown diocese over the Church’s position on homosexuality and whether gays should be ordained.

And for one aspiring priest from Cambria County, it opens old wounds from his seminary experience, where he says he was sickened by the sexually decadent environment and criticized for being chaste.

Much of the controversy within the diocese centers around Penn State University.

Author Rose writes that David J. Brown, a clinical psychologist under contract with the Altoona-Johnstown diocese to screen candidates for the priesthood, has “gone out of his way to make the case that homosexuality is ‘perfectly normal’ and that ‘homosexuality is natural, not unnatural.’ ”

He criticizes Brown for telling the school board in State College that they were wrong to exclude homosexual speakers from Penn State.

“The fact that someone would pose such an argument is not news itself. But when such a man, whose views are publicly known, is contracted to screen applicants for the seminary, what is remarkable is the obvious incompatibility,” the book says.

In a telephone interview form his State College office, Brown said he did testify in favor of non-discrimination and non-harassment of homosexuals.

“I drew from the Bishop’s Pastoral Letter on the topic, and I expressed the opinion that Jesus would be appalled at such bigotry.”

Rose is “trying to reconfigure the current sex scandal into an anti-homosexual crusade. It’s like anti-Semitism,” he said.

“Part of Rose’s central thesis is that ultra-liberals and gays have taken over the process of becoming a priest, and that I only give liberals or gays a recommendation. That’s false and paranoid,” Brown said. “These people are pathologically homophobic, and the goal of local conservative Catholics is to have the bishop terminate my work.

“They are the local Catholic Taliban. They insist on their point of view. They are relentless, mean-spirited and punitive,” he said.

Catholic conservative George Foster strongly disagrees:

“Dr. Brown’s attitude explains the current crisis in the Church today.”

Critic of modernism

Foster, an orthodox activist who grew up in Cambria County and is now an Altoona businessman, has been a vocal critic of the modernism movement in the Church.

The State College controversy two years ago is still a serious issue with him, and so is Brown.

Foster is conservative in the sense that he believes the Church must adhere literally to Vatican teachings.

Brown’s and other Church leaders’ views on homosexuality differ from official Church doctrine.

Foster cites the Catechism of the Catholic Church, which says:

“Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that ‘homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.’ They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.”

The Catechism refers to homosexuality as an “inclination which is objectively disordered.”

Brown and others who say that homosexuality is natural go against Church teaching, Foster said.

“The bishop has been notified that Dr. Brown is on record against the traditional teaching of the Church. He’s not one who supports all of the teachings of the Church, and that destroys the Vatican’s goal that all must promote the correct moral teachings.”

Foster and conservative Catholics who were interviewed by The Tribune-Democrat say gays should not be priests.

“What’s worried me the most is all the talk on how we address the current issue of pedophilia, but our talk has been too narrow. The bigger issue is of homosexuality, but it’s a political hot button that many try to avoid,” he said.

Foster views the book “Goodbye! Good Men” as accurate in portraying the problems with homosexuality and with orthodox heterosexuals being screened out of the priesthood.

Foster takes issue with Brown’s characterization of conservative Catholics as “The Catholic Taliban’’ or “homophobic.”

“In the Catholic Church, the priesthood is a fraternity of men. The Church cannot condone men who have sexual inclinations toward each other sitting together. Numerous priests have come out and stated that the problems they’re seeing now revolve around homosexual priests,” he said.

“Yes, people say that’s homophobic. But that’s laughable. My responsibilities as a Christian, as a Catholic, are to speak to people about the truth. You want to do it in a loving manner, but you don’t want to change the Church’s teachings to do it.

“The Church has always taught that there should not be ‘unjust’ discrimination. But discrimination is not always a bad thing. In the matter of homosexuality, you would never advocate an alcoholic to be a bartender. Nor would I say a drug user should be a pharmacist. Where we’re dealing with a fraternity of men, you don’t place them into a situation where their weaknesses could be worked on.”
Brown supported

Diocese spokeswoman Sister Mary Parks defends Brown.

“When he asks candidates questions, he’s trying to see where they’re coming from. He may ask them from any ideological standpoint, to see what their reaction would be. A pastor must be flexible and open to all people who come to him,” she said.

“Some of these people who have questioned Dr. Brown have also questioned our own bishop,” she said.

One of those is Foster and fellow conservatives.

They take issue with Bishop Joseph Adamec’s pastoral statement on homosexuality, in which he did not strictly quote the Catechism and said the Catechism term “objective disorder” may “sound harsh.”

Foster says that’s not a tiny issue.

“Our diocese is representative of the nation as a whole. In Florida, a bishop resigned because he was a practicing homosexual. In Philadelphia, homosexuals are banned from entering the priesthood. In our diocese, people with problems with homosexuality have been promoted,” he said.

Foster and his conservative colleagues’ position mirrors the Vatican’s.

The chief spokesman for the Vatican says the Church must respond to the pedophilia scandal by ceasing to ordain gay men.

“People with these inclinations just cannot be ordained,” said Joaquin Navarro-Valls.     

The Vatican also is on record as wanting enforcement of a 1961 document from the Sacred Congregation for Religious that prohibits the admission of homosexuals to the diocesan priesthood and religious orders.

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia rejects candidates for the priesthood who say they are gay and expels any seminarian found to be an active homosexual.

The national debate hits home for one young man.

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, because he still aspires to become a priest and fears retribution, this student finds the controversial book to be very credible.

At the first seminary he attended, he said he was shocked to see openly gay activity.

“It sickened me because certain men were known to be couples. I was ‘checked out’ by others and told to ‘make sure I wasn’t alone with so and so because he’d come on to me.’ ”

The seminarian, from the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese, said the anecdotes in the book rang true.

“I watched one guy get another guy drunk and take him back to his room. He was very predatory. I felt I was illegitimized by these people.

“The problem is that they’re letting people into seminaries whose lifestyle defies Church teachings. The number of predators might be small, but they shouldn’t have been there at all.

“The administration is afraid to do anything, because it will tick off the bishop. They can’t afford to lose students. It’s a numbers game,” he said.

He said that his conservative views against women being ordained almost caused him to be screened out of the priesthood. He said Brown interviewed him and called him “rigid.”

Brown says he does not remember any such interview, and cannot respond to an anonymous accusation.

Penn State link

Throughout interviews with both conservatives and diocese officials, the Penn State incidents crop up again and again.

In October 2000, a ceremony titled “A Service of Affirmation of the Human Dignity of Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender People” was held in Eisenhower Chapel.

The Rev. Joseph Hlubik, Penn State Catholic Community campus minister, said that although some Bible passages speak negatively of homosexuality, there are positive images as well.

Later that month he wrote an essay saying, “Fortunately, with a few positive thought-provoking image of gays portrayed on television and movies and maybe even encounters with gays in our own lives, it is becoming common enough to be a topic of discussion.”

Conservative Catholics, including a priest, were outraged and wrote a response, saying Hlubik’s statements were contrary to the faith. In an ad in a State College newspaper, they said, “If they assert their homosexuality, neither the Church nor society at large should be surprised when irrational and violent acts increase.”

That ad elicited a response from diocese spokeswoman Parks, who said it was “highly inappropriate” for a priest to criticize another.

Brown criticized the ad for its “homophobic negativity,” and the ad also was criticized by Mary McClanahan, a Penn State staff psychologist.

She said, “The American Psychiatric Association has recognized for more than a quarter of a century that being lesbian, gay or bisexual indicates no disorder.”

Foster and his conservative colleagues today point to new studies they say give Rose’s book credibility and discredit more liberal thinking.

News reports last week described research by Judith Reisman, who used numbers from 1992 U.S. Statistic Abstracts. She found that the gay population has a large subset that “commits multiple, repeated sex offenses.”

Mixed messages

Another outspoken conservative in the diocese is a former employee.

Brian Barcaro, who edits the Diocese Report Web site, says the issues are doctrinal.

Barcaro and the diocese parted company on bad terms, with the diocese saying he was fired and Barcaro saying he left for personal reasons.

His view is that the Church’s troubles today stem from too many dioceses that “refuse to follow the Church’s teachings.

“At one point it was said to be OK for priests at Penn State to be involved with homosexual groups. I was told to shut up. I said that if I’m raising money for the diocese, I need to follow Church teachings. We did not separate on good terms.

“There are problems in the Church, and there are problems in the diocese,” he said during an interview with The Tribune-Democrat.

“There’s a lack of doctrinal enforcement.”

Foster agrees.

“What keeps me comfortable is that I know what’s right and wrong. It isn’t a problem with improper Church teachings. It’s a problem with the teaching not being passed on. The solution now is to handle the problem and not be embarrassed.”

A neutral viewpoint comes from devout Catholic and Cambria County President Commissioner Fred Soisson.

Once aspiring to be a priest, he began with what was then a high school program.

“The problem was that this is too early a time to make that decision. A lot of young men went in, but then matured and recognized that maybe they made the wrong decisions. Celibacy is unnatural, and to lead a celibate life, you must have a vocation.”

Soisson says his faith is not shaken by the sex scandals, and suspects that some complaints are false.

“The problem today is that the Church overlooked bad situations. Now, because of the media coverage, they can’t hide it anymore. They can no longer afford to sweep it under the table.”

©Tribune Democrat 2002



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To: sinkspur
Maybe you ought to contact BKnotts; he needs some snitches to roam the parishes in search of violators of canon law.

Is it too much to ask that the people responsible for the practice and formation of the Catholic Faith, adhere to the doctrines and laws of the Catholic Faith? Are traffic violations really more important to you than open dissention against the Church? Do you teach respect for the Church in your ministries, or do you teach them that "WE ARE THE CHURCH" and we should be able to make the rules? Inquiring minds want to know.

61 posted on 05/05/2002 9:42:13 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Jeff Chandler
I've been engaged in the RCIA and Engaged Couples ministry for seven years.

By the way, do you teach those new Catholics that the Church aught to be ordaining married men, or are you repectful enough to keep dissenting opinions in check during your ministry? This is not an accusation, I really want to know. I've seen people teach all sorts of things to Initiates, sort of taking advantage of the opportunity to recruit people to their causes.

62 posted on 05/05/2002 9:50:10 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: patent; notwithstanding; JMJ333; Aunt Polgara; AgThorn; IM2Phat4U; toenail; MHGinTN...
Hi Folks,

This is going to be my final post to FRee Republic.

I've finally decided to call it quits, and devote more time to my family.

I've already had my Dr. Brian Kopp screen name account deleted. This is an account I set up as a joke several months ago for a fellow FReeper, which I never intended using further (no, I don't have any other screen names).

However, I just wanted to say so long, and let you all know how much I've enjoyed the friendship and fellowship of many fine people here.

May God Bless you all abundantly and have Mercy on us all.

Sincerely,

Dr. Brian Kopp

(I'll be having this account deleted too. Hold the Fort, Folks!)

63 posted on 05/05/2002 9:54:23 PM PDT by Doc Anonymous
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To: Doc Anonymous
Goodbye, doc. Take care of yourself. =)
64 posted on 05/05/2002 10:30:08 PM PDT by JMJ333
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To: Doc Anonymous
Good night, Doc.
65 posted on 05/05/2002 10:37:02 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: Doc Anonymous
Thanks for all the great articles you posted,for defending the pope and the Magisterium,for being an excellent,enthusiastic apologist,for trying to wake people up and for the wonderful short story you wrote and I read over on the religious thread.Thanks for giving so much of yourself for the Church and come back soon!!And finally and most important,your honesty and genuineness just shine.You are the only Freeper I know that uses his real name,so you're courageous too. Wow!!God Bless you and yours.
66 posted on 05/06/2002 12:12:51 AM PDT by saradippity
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To: Dumb_Ox
Considering Aquinas calls it the "unnatural vice," the alleged expert doesn't seem to have read him.

Considering that Aquinas doesn't mention homosexuality in animals (though he does mention bestiality), maybe the guy was thinking of some other Thomas Aquinas.

Thanks for the link.

67 posted on 05/06/2002 2:00:52 AM PDT by maryz
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To: St.Chuck
. . . am very reluctant to see any radical changes as being proposed by members of the laity.

Some of the laity are a lot louder than others; Shakespeare didn't call democracy "the many-headed monster" for nothing.

68 posted on 05/06/2002 2:04:03 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Joe-six-pack in the pews has not a clue, . . .

He also doesn't seem to go around stirring things up and making trouble. I always liked him.

69 posted on 05/06/2002 2:06:24 AM PDT by maryz
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To: maryz
St. Thomas himself, in the second book of the Summa Theologica, says that homosexuality is natural, not unnatural. And he also says homosexuality among animals is natural, not unnatural.

I'm no expert on the Summa, but if your intuition is that Dr. Brown is on crack, you'd be correct. The following is from a review by Paul Dietrich of the book, The Invention of Sodomy in the Christian Religion from the April 1998 edition of First Things:

Jordan is clearly more comfortable when considering the works of St. Albert the Great and St. Thomas Aquinas. His earlier study, Ordering Wisdom: The Hierarchy of Philosophical Discourses in Aquinas (1986), is a well-regarded contribution to the understanding of St. Thomas. For St. Albert homosexual intercourse is a sin against grace, reason, and nature. Jordan laments "Albert’s refusal to think coherently," that is, his citation of Arabic lore on most medical topics in contrast to his appeal to Christian moral teachings when it comes to homosexuality. Although Jordan rescues St. Thomas from the misreadings of other gay historians (such as John Boswell), he finds what he describes as "instabilities" in Thomas’ denunciation of sodomy as the unnameable vice that more than other sins is against nature and against God.

A close reading of several scholastic texts with an eye toward holes in the argument suffers from the same flaws as Jordan’s earlier treatment of monastic authors. Insufficient attention is paid to the historical and cultural contexts of these arguments. Why is it, asks Jordan, that so much energy is expended on denunciations of sodomy compared with the more lenient treatment of other sins in the medieval catalogue of vices, say, murder, usury, simony, or adultery?

Why, indeed. Medieval monastic and scholastic authors presumably had less pastoral experience than did the regular clergy with murder, adultery, and usury, or even with standard clerical sins such as simony, nicolaitism (clerical marriage), and concubinage. As members of male religious houses, however, Benedictine monks (like St. Peter Damian) had in common with Dominican friars (like Saints Albert and Thomas) a concern for the moral, spiritual, and psychological health of a same-sex religious community.

So Dr. Brown's understanding of St. Thomas' teaching is upside down regarding the desirability of ordaining priests with homosexual inclinations. You could knock me over with a feather.

70 posted on 05/06/2002 5:06:28 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: sinkspur
Maybe you ought to contact BKnotts; he needs some snitches to roam the parishes in search of violators of canon law.

This sort of debating tactic is beneath you.

71 posted on 05/06/2002 5:08:13 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Aquinasfan
So Dr. Brown's understanding of St. Thomas' teaching is upside down regarding the desirability of ordaining priests with homosexual inclinations. You could knock me over with a feather.

Surely Dr. Brown is likely only guilty of a simple misreading! Easy as anything to miss an "un-" in front of "-natural"!

72 posted on 05/06/2002 5:32:02 AM PDT by maryz
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
A controversial new book names the Altoona-Johnstown Roman Catholic Diocese as one of many dioceses that turns away qualified candidates for the priesthood in favor of a “gay subculture” and threatens the Church with dangerous reforms.

Get rid of the bishop for starters. Clean up the seminaries of homosexuals AND START TEACHING THE REAL CATHOLIC FAITH. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S FOUND IN THE CATECHISM.

73 posted on 05/06/2002 6:01:25 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
the book contends “liberals are bringing corruption into the Catholic Church.”

Uh, Yeah, I would say that's about right?!?! They'd make GOOD epicopalians.

74 posted on 05/06/2002 6:04:31 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Foster is conservative in the sense that he believes the Church must adhere literally to Vatican teachings.

Duh?

75 posted on 05/06/2002 6:05:38 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
Brown said he did testify in favor of non-discrimination and non-harassment of homosexuals.

There will be no discrimination and no harassment. Throw them ALL out and there won't be any problem.

76 posted on 05/06/2002 6:13:13 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Doc Anonymous
God Bless your work Brian....and you!
77 posted on 05/06/2002 6:37:39 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: history_matters
The seminaries in the U.S. are a byproduct of the American Academic culture and NOT traditional Catholic Culture. I blame the bishops, first and foremost, for allowing this to happen, with a close second to Catholic theologians. They allowed the culture to transform their faith rather than the faith transforming their culture. In other words, they BETRAYED the faith.

This is not just a Vatican II byproduct; this stuff began back in the '30s shortly after the Epicopalians declared contraception legitimate. Read McInnerney's "What went wrong with Vatican II". Their were many bishops at the council already weilding the modernist mantra, salivating at the mouth, ready to pounce on traditional Catholic teachings in favor of their modernist ideologies.

Should we be surprised at the present condition of our seminaries. The great majority of seminaries as well as Catholic colleges and universities have lost their Catholic identity. This is what our great Pope St. Pius X fought against and feared. I pray he intercedes for us now.

78 posted on 05/06/2002 6:46:06 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Renatus
Renatus,
Where do Permanent Deacons fit into all of this? They are ordained clergy and part of the hierarchy?!
79 posted on 05/06/2002 6:53:40 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
But this is the first real break we've had in the mainstream media within our diocese.

Great work!

80 posted on 05/06/2002 6:59:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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