Creationists Gather...Dinosaurs Subject of Discussion

The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Saturday, July 20, 2002 | Cindy Schroeder

[Stultis]

Your problem you have this back ass-wards. With, of course, many individual exceptions the proponents of darwinian evolution in the 19th century tended to come from the camp of classical liberals (Darwin himself was a Whig). The antievolutionists tended to be classical conservatives (Tory, pro-religious establishment, pro-priveleged elites, anti-laissez faire capitalism, anti-religious dissentors, etc).

Again, in terms of general tendencies, the breakdown was something like this:

Classical Conservatives (Tories) - Creationist

Classical Liberals (Whigs) - Darwinian Evolutionists

Radicals, Socialists, etc - Lamarkian Evolutionists

[Stultis]

BTW, pardon my use of complete sentences.

I hope that doesn't confuse you.

[VadeRetro]

Raquel Welch co-existed with dinosaurs

They swooned from happiness and were never seen again.

[LoneRangerMassachusetts]

I have wondered all my life how Noah did it. Now its time to ask. The world was flooded from the forty days of rain. But, Noah saved a pair of every species aboard his Ark so as to repopulate the world. How did he get the kangaroos from Australia, the jaguars from South America, and the grizzlies from North America?

[CedarDave]

Organizers of the program running today and Sunday at Big Bone Baptist Church in Union say ...

Appropriate setting for a program on dinosaurs!

[berned]

Why couldn't God create a world WITH evolutionary processes if he pleased? I think these debates are sooo off the mark.

The problem is the geneology presented in Luke, which traces Jesus back, generation by generation, back to Adam. Since Christians believe tht the entire Bible is divinely inspired Truth written by God Himself via the Holy Spirit, then Adam was created, not evolved, and that precludes evolution.

[Tribune7]

Patrick, I went to 01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource." which is now at http://vuletic.com/hume/cefec/.

That guy is not debunking anything. Look at 1.1:

According to Big Bang theory, the universe came from nothing. But something cannot come from nothing. Therefore, there must be a creator. REPLY: (i) First, of all, the idea of the universe "coming from" nothing, far from being a stipulation of standard Big Bang theory, is inconsistent with it.

That's snake oil. Matter and energy exists. It had to come from somewhere. The Big Bang is science's best explanation for it. Since it falls way short, Mark Vuletic throws in something called the "theory of quantum gravity." Then he says "no theory of quantum gravity has yet been fully developed."

Patrick, that's not debunking anything.

Many other replies are along the lines of "that's right but irrelevant:"

3.5: Cells are too complex to have come into existence all at once by pure chance. REPLY: This is true, but irrelevant

or "we're still looking into it."

3.2: Amino acids in living organisms are all left-handed, but in nature, equal amounts of left-handed and right-handed amino acids form, so one would expect them to occur in equal proportions in living organisms if abiogenesis were true. REPLY: There is no consensus on how this problem is to be resolved, but there are several possibilities that continue to be explored.

About the only real debunking I saw was the one in which he showed that Einstein was not an anti-evolutionist.

[Focault's Pendulum]

Someone.....please define "God". Is our continuing discussion a matter of time and our own evolution of attemping to believing the improbable. Has not God evolved because of our understanding, of the sciences?

[Stultis]

How did [Noah] get the kangaroos from Australia, the jaguars from South America, and the grizzlies from North America?

More interesting is how they got back, after the flood. How did they know, in general, to return to those areas where related forms occur as fossils? How did placental mammals know that only marsupial fossils are found in Australia, and that they shouldn't go there?

Specially adapted cave-dwelling organisms have a very strong tendency to be closely related to above-gound living ones in the same locality (comprising, say, different but clearly similar genera). At the same time those that are obligatory cave dwellers are seldom widely distributed, with each cave system having its own particular species and genera. IOW they are more closely affiliated with local terrestial organisms inhabiting very different environments then they are with those inhabiting nearly identical environments in other cave systems. How did they manage to sort themselves out so post flood?

In South America they are trees or shrubs and ants that are co-adapted in such detailed and specific ways that they are classed as single "ecological species," so called "ant-plants". How did those get all the way to S.A. from Ararat?

[Tribune7]

Someone.....please define "God".

God is our Creator. The most profound definition -- at least for this discussion since "God is love" is the most profound in any other -- comes from Exodus 3:15 .

14 God said to Moses, "I am who I am . [2] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'IAM has sent me to you.' "

Has not God evolved because of our understanding, of the sciences?

No. And neither have we. Only our understanding of the sciences has evolved.

[ContentiousObjector]

Those concepts require the ability to think for ones self, as a result creationists are unable to answer such questions,

However medved will be here shortly to explain how the earth was orbiting Saturn at the time which ment there was far less gravity making it possible to all animals to fly to their present habitats

[IamZman]

the gap theory is full of gaps. Here just off the top of my head. It does say when. "in the beginning". If you think other things lived and died before, between genesis 1:1 and 1:2., then answer this. The bible says there was no death before sin. Well the way you put it you have death before sin. Then look at genesis chapter 2. It says in verse 4 These are the generations of the heavens and the earth WHEN THEY WERE CREATED. The gap theory is just a cop out to try and accomodate the bible with evolution

[IamZman]

actually man did walk with dinosaurs. Its found in the book of job. Go to bible.com and search for behemoth. That is a description of a dinosaur. You are a compromiser.

[Brush_Your_Teeth]

So the creationists are getting together to make up a story or twist the words of the bible to find the dinos inside? What do they plan to do about the earth not being the center of the universe?

That I believe would be even more entertaining.

[IamZman]

HE COULD CREATE WITH EVOLUTION IF HE WANTED TO. He didn't though read the book.

[IamZman]

Noah didn't, someone else did.

[Sabertooth]

Answers in Genesis followers believe the Earth's creatures were created by God and were not the result of an evolutionary process as espoused by scientists such as Charles Darwin.

Yet another rephrasing of the false dilemma...

[IamZman]

how do you know the earth isnt the center of the universe

[BMCDA]

A "creationists are a hobby of evolution" placemarker

And thanks for the ping.

[ContentiousObjector]

You just flushed any credibility you might have had down the toilet,

The Greeks and Egyptians were able to figure that one out.