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1 posted on 09/23/2002 12:04:17 PM PDT by Quester
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To: Quester
"The Pope drastically lowered the temperature of hell,"

But, the queston remains:
Did it freeze over?
2 posted on 09/23/2002 12:15:50 PM PDT by APBaer
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To: Quester
Mega Knee Jerk Papal Loyalist dittoes for the Pope
3 posted on 09/23/2002 12:23:16 PM PDT by Catholicguy
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To: Quester
comment later
4 posted on 09/23/2002 12:39:28 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Quester
The pope is just a man, thus, makes mistakes, like all of us do.
6 posted on 09/23/2002 3:12:38 PM PDT by exnavy
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To: Quester
It took you three years to post this story?
9 posted on 09/23/2002 5:40:15 PM PDT by St.Chuck
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To: Quester
Matthew 25:41
Matthew 25:46
Revelation 20:15
This is what the Bible, the final word in all matters of faith and practice says about Hell.
I will take the word of God over the word of a mortal any day.
13 posted on 09/23/2002 7:06:58 PM PDT by Commander8
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To: Quester; JHavard; Havoc; OLD REGGIE; Iowegian; glory; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; ...
Bump
14 posted on 09/23/2002 7:17:52 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: Quester
If there is no heaven or hell, then of what use is the Catholic Church as it stands today?

Sorry folks, all those hundreds of years we've been telling you that you need to remain afraid of eternal damnation; that was all a joke. And all that effort you put into the Church to go to Heaven; that was in vain.

Could we be any denser?

19 posted on 09/23/2002 8:30:37 PM PDT by God is good
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hell is the absence of God... just not a nice place to be no matter how a body tries to explain it away
23 posted on 09/23/2002 8:49:44 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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I can't access your link to your story posted..it says outside link..the Pope was in Guatemala City for a cannonization of Pedro de San Jose Betancur at the time your story states the Pope made his remarks...search his addresses and can't find the comments you posted...still searching..
27 posted on 09/23/2002 9:43:03 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Quester; fortheDeclaration; xzins
No Physical Heaven/Hell ... says the Pope?

Ahhhhh,.....this then "means"........no physical Islamic Purgatory either?

/sarcasm

28 posted on 09/23/2002 9:48:12 PM PDT by maestro
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Geez, 10 posts and the usual suspects show up trying to convert this thread into another debate on LDS doctrine. It's like some kind of mental disorder forces them to keep doing this.
72 posted on 09/24/2002 12:38:25 PM PDT by Grig
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Pope John Lennon? (Imagine there's no heaven....)
73 posted on 09/24/2002 12:40:50 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Quester
Saturday, August 14, 1999

What year are you in?

74 posted on 09/24/2002 5:18:00 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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This topic was debated over a year ago and was discovered the Pope's statements were taken out of context...which has been the case before. My question is are you really interested in what the Pope has to say because I can provide many links to what he actually says from his own addresses, speeches and homilies or did you just paste this from your sensationalism page?
78 posted on 09/24/2002 7:09:44 PM PDT by Irisshlass
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To: Quester; Salvation

I wouldn’t believe most things the msm writes, maybe you do.


92 posted on 03/13/2009 10:00:15 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion, Euthanasia & FOCA - - don't Obama and the Democrats just kill ya!)
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Father Daley said one of his favorite presentations on heaven and hell was given as a sermon by John Henry Newman before he converted from Anglicanism to Catholicism in 1845. "He has this idea, which is very fascinating, that heaven and hell are in the same place, that we all come to be in the presence of God, but for the person who has lived in faith, coming into the presence of God is tremendously fulfilling and happy. And for the one who lived for self, power, and material things, it's hell."

This sounded like an explanation I had heard from time to time of the Eastern Orthodox understanding, such as is found in Paradise and Hell According to Orthodox Tradition, by Fr. George Metallinos, from which the following exerpt is taken:

Paradise and hell are not two different places. Such an idea is an idolatrous concept. Rather they signify two different conditions [ways or states of being], which originate from the same uncreated source, and are perceived by man as two, differing experiences. More precisely, they are the same experience, except that they are perceived differently by man, depending on his internal state.

This experience is the sight of Christ in the uncreated light of His divinity, of His "glory". From the moment of His Second Coming, through to all eternity, all people will be seeing Christ in His uncreated light. That is when "those who worked good deeds in their lifetime will go towards the resurrection of life, while those who worked evil in their lifetime will go towards the resurrection of judgment" (Jn.5:29). In the presence of Christ, mankind will be separated (like "sheep" and "kidgoats", to His right and His left). In other words, they will be discerning in two separate groups: those who will be behold Christ as paradise (the "exceeding good, the radiant") and those who will be looking upon Christ as hell ("the all-consuming fire" of Hebrews 12:29).

Paradise and hell are the same reality. This is what is depicted in the portrayal of the Second Coming. From Christ, a river of fire flows forth. It is radiant like a golden light at the upper end of it, where the saints are. At its lower end, the same river is fiery, and it is in that part of the river that the demons and the unrepentant ("the never repentant" according to a hymn) are depicted. This is why in Luke 2:34 we read that Christ stands "as the fall and the resurrection of many". Christ becomes the resurrection into eternal life for those who accepted Him and who followed the means given for the healing the heart. To those who rejected Him, however, He becomes their separation and their hell.

Among the patristic testimonies, Saint John of Sinai (of the Ladder) says that the uncreated light of Christ is "an all-consuming fire and an illuminating light". Saint Gregory Palamas (E.P.E. II, 498) observes: "Thus, it is said, He will baptize you by the Holy Spirit and by fire: in other words, by illumination and judgment, depending on each person's predisposition, which will in itself bring upon him that which he deserves." Elsewhere, (Essays, P. Christou Publications, vol.2, page 145): The light of Christ, "albeit one and accessible to all, is not partaken of uniformly, but differently".

Consequently, paradise and hell are not a reward or a punishment (condemnation), but the way that we individually experience the sight of Christ, depending on the condition of our heart. God doesn't punish in essence, although, for educative purposes, the Scripture does mention punishment. The more spiritual that one becomes, the better he can comprehend the language of the Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Man's condition (clean-unclean, repentant-unrepentant) is the factor that determines the acceptance of the Light as "paradise" or "hell".

93 posted on 03/13/2009 10:23:41 PM PDT by aposiopetic
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To: Quester

You are quoting a secular source. I’ve checked on the Pope’s actual statement on it — can’t seem to find it.

Hmmmm.

Hope you’re not Catholic bashing.


95 posted on 03/13/2009 10:28:05 PM PDT by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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