John Paul II is history's champion saintmaker

USAToday ^ | Oct. 3, 2002 | Cathy Lynn Grossman

[RobbyS]

Reminds me of the story of Pius XI, who waved the miracle reguirement on Thomas More. Asked about this, he answered--and this was the 1930s--I want everyone to know what is expected of them in such times.

[EODGUY]

Great example.

[patent]

The "short tempered" part of the "man" part?

[patent]

OR the "man", not of the "man".

[ultima ratio]

I don't quarrel with your point. Of course there were short-tempered saints. St. Jerome is a classic example. But we're talking here of a man who died recently and was well known, not for his sanctity, but for his megalomania and other moral deficiencies. This was not a saint in any sense of our understanding of the word. What is it exactly we're supposed to admire? Can there be any doubt that it is Opus Dei that is scheduled to be honored and not true sanctity? This is disgraceful.

[ultima ratio]

John Paul II has been a failure as pope. He has done much to destroy the Catholic Church by his hostility to tradition and indifference to the deposit of faith. Sorry if that makes me a "nutcase" to you, but the facts speak for themselves.

[ultima ratio]

JnPaul II has not lived a "blameless" life as you suggest. He is much to blame--for the mess that is the Modernist Church today. No one is more to blame.

[ultima ratio]

And I could count on you for mindless support of something obviously wrong and unCatholic. But, hey, the Pope wants this man canonized so canonized he will be--and this ends it for you, regardless of the truth of the situation. Truth has always been pretty much beside the point to this papacy anyway. As for you, it is whatever Rome says it is.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Soooo, popes pass out halo's? HHUUUMMMMM.

Becky

[ultima ratio]

There are some matters worth fighting for--such as the Catholic faith. If it is being undermined daily and Catholics are in fact becoming Protestants, then this is an intolerable evil even when condoned by a popular pope. The faithful have no choice but to resist. To you that may sound extreme. To me it is the only way to remain a Catholic. Remember, it is the lukewarm who Scripture says will be vomited-forth. And Dante placed such souls in the vestibule of Hell.

[Dajjal]

For more on Msgr. Escriva's shortcomings, see:

"Leopards In The Temple" by John Martin (excerpt)

"Blessed be pain. Loved be pain. Sanctified be pain. . . Glorified be pain!"

Corporal Mortification in Opus Dei

[WriteOn]

Do you believe he has performed miracles since his death?

[ultima ratio]

Absolutely not. The doctors who examined the medical evidence for a miracle were OPUS DEI doctors. The whole process was bogus.

[WriteOn]

What you're suggesting is that Opus Dei has corrupted good people to contrive a saint? Is this polemics? Do you truly believe Opus Dei is an evil entity, brainwashing doctors to lie?

[ultima ratio]

I have said many times I have no quarrel with Opus Dei. You are mixing apples with oranges. My quarrel is with falsifying the canonization process to canonize a man who was not a true saint.