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To: Jael
See you assume that all men can hear and believe ..and that makes man god and not God

I believe that men must be Born again BEFORE he can see the Kingdom of God..you believe that men are all born with 20-20 spiritual vision ...that is not scripture

An unregenerate man can not "trust " Christ..He hates him..he would bite off his tongue before calling His name..

It is not untill we are born again that we can see the Kingdom of God..desire it ..Repent or believe..all of that is the grace of God working on the elect..

Jael we all MUST repent and believe..but the non elect do not want to do it..

269 posted on 01/01/2003 7:17:17 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
See you assume that all men can hear and believe ..and that makes man god and not God

No, the premise of your assumption is false.
I believe that God will do as he says, he will draw all men to him. I believe also that some will disobey the gospel, just as Scripture says.

I believe that men must be Born again BEFORE he can see the Kingdom of God..


Of course he must be. And thou, being a master of Calvinism knowest not these things? WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

you believe that men are all born with 20-20 spiritual vision ...that is not scripture

Oh no, I don't.

2 Timothy 3:14  But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15  And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. Romans 10:12  ¶For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. 13  For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15  And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16  But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

Romans 10:17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18  But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

273 posted on 01/01/2003 7:51:03 PM PST by Jael
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To: RnMomof7
Jael we all MUST repent and believe..but the non elect do not want to do it..

Actually, according to Paul and Isiah, no one wants to do it. No not one.

Isaiah 53:6  All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Romans 3:9  What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10  As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:[heis= 1. ONE]

11  There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12  They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

277 posted on 01/01/2003 8:05:57 PM PST by Jael
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