HELP: Need Qu'ran passage that states "Kill the Infidels.."

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"Kill the Infidels."

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“They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper … Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (Jews) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush.” (Sura IV.89)

“Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.” (Sura IX. 5-6)

Try these -Tom

Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191)

"Fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5)

"Murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123)

Sura 5.33 - .51

Try Surah 9:5. I believe it talks about waiting in ambush for the non-believers.

http://www.freeman.org/m_online/dec97/phares.htm

The Muslim Method Of Conquest (Professor Walid Phares) December, 1997

5:51

O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the
Christians as Auliyâ' (friends, protectors, helpers,
etc.), they are but Auliyâ' to one another. And if any
amongst you takes them as Auliyâ', then surely he is
one of them. Verily, Allâh guides not those people who
are the Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrongdoers and
unjust).

4:89

They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected
(Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one
another). So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends)
from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to
Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islâm),
take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find
them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends)
nor helpers from them

4:91

You will find others that wish to have security from
you and security from their people. Every time they
are sent back to temptation, they yield thereto. If
they withdraw not from you, nor offer you peace, nor
restrain their hands, take (hold) of them and kill
them wherever you find them. In their case, We have
provided you with a clear warrant against them.

8:60

And make ready against them all you can of power,
including steeds of war (tanks, planes, missiles,
artillery, etc.) to threaten the enemy of Allâh and
your enemy, and others besides whom, you may not know
but whom Allâh does know. And whatever you shall spend
in the Cause of Allâh shall be repaid unto you, and
you shall not be treated unjustly.

9:5

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and
12th months of the Islâmic calendar) have passed, then
kill the Mushrikûn (see V.2:105) wherever you find
them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare
for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and
perform As-Salât (Iqâmat-as-Salât), and give Zakât,
then leave their way free. Verily, Allâh is
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

2:104

O you who believe! Say not (to the Messenger Peace be
upon him ) Râ'ina [] but say Unzurna (Do make us
understand) and hear. And for the disbelievers there
is a painful torment. (See Verse 4:46)

2:105

Neither those who disbelieve among the people of the
Scripture (Jews and Christians) nor Al-Mushrikûn (the
disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh, idolaters,
polytheists, pagans, etc.) like that there should be
sent down unto you any good from your Lord. But Allâh
chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allâh is the
Owner of Great Bounty.

17:33

And do not kill anyone which Allâh has forbidden,
except for a just cause. And whoever is killed
(intentionally with hostility and oppression and not
by mistake), We have given his heir the authority [(to
demand Qisâs, Law of Equality in punishment or to
forgive, or to take Diya (blood money)]. But let him
not exceed limits in the matter of taking life (i.e he
should not kill except the killer only). Verily, he is
helped (by the Islâmic law).

Pickthall Translation
[an-Nisa' 4:89] They long that ye should disbelieve
even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level
(with them). So choose not friends from them till they
forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn
back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever
ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from
among them,

[an-Nisa' 4:91] Ye will find others who desire that
they should have security from you, and security from
their own folk. So often as they are returned to
hostility they are plunged therein. If they keep not
aloof from you nor offer you peace nor hold their
hands, then take them and kill them wherever ye find
them. Against such We have given you clear warrant.

[al-Ma'idah 5:51] O ye who believe! Take not the Jews
and the Christians for friends. They are friends one
to another. He among you who taketh them for friends
is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing
folk.

[at-Taubah 9:5] Then, when the sacred months have
passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and
take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for
them each ambush. But if they repent and establish
worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way
free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

Abdullah Yusuf Ali

2:191

And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them
out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult
and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight
them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first)
fight you there; but if they fight yo u, slay them.
Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.

4:89

They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do,
and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take
not friends from their ranks (one translatios says
“Christians and Jews) until they flee in the way of
God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn
renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find
them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers
from their ranks;

8:60

Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of
your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror
into (the hearts of) the enemies, of God and your
enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but
whom God doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the
cause of God, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall
not be treated unjustly.

9:5

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and
slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them,
beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every
stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish
regular prayers and practise regular charity, then
open the way for them: for God is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.

Rational Thinking about Islam by an Ex-Believer

Culture/Society Miscellaneous Keywords: ISLAM
Source: RationalThinking
Published: October 2000 Author: Ali Sina
Posted on 09/18/2001 21:49:24 PDT by FR_addict

Rational Thinking explores Islam, Quran and Muhammad’s
claim to prophethood.

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from
religious conviction." -Pascal

A thorough study of Quran and Hadiths reveal an Islam
that is not being
presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is
not known to the
majority of Muslims. Islam as it is taught in Quran
(Koran) and lived by
Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and
sayings of the
Prophet) is a religion of intolerance, inequality,
violence,
discrimination, superstition, fanaticism, and blind
faith. Islam advocates
killing the non-Muslims, abuses the human rights of
the minorities and
women. Islam expanded by Jihad (holy war) and forced
its way by killing the
non-believers and the dissidents. Apostasy in Islam is
the biggest crime,
punishable by death. Muhammad was a fundamentalist
himself therefore
fundamentalism cannot be separated from true Islam.
Islam, which means
submission, demands from its followers to submit their
wills and thoughts
to Muhammad and his Allah, a deity that despises
reason, democracy, freedom
of thought and freedom of expression. I reject Islam
a) because of
Muhammad’s lack of moral and ethical fortitude and b)
because of the
absurdities in Quran.

a) Muhammad lived a less than holy life. His lust for
sex, his affairs with
his maids and slave girls, his pedophilic relationship
with Aisha a
9-year-old child, his killing sprees, his massacre and
the genocide of the
Jews, his slave making and trading, his assassination
of his opponents, his
raids and lootings of the merchant caravans, his
burning of the palm
plantations, his destroying the water wells, his
cursing and invoking evil
on his enemies and his revenge on his captured
prisoners of war disqualify
him as a decent human being let alone the messenger of
God

b) An unbiased study of Quran shows that far from
being a “miracle” that
book is a hoax. Once Quran is scrutinized with
rational thinking, almost
every sentence proves to be false. Quran is replete
with scientific
heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes,
logical absurdities and
grammatical errors. Could possibly the author of this
Universe be as
ignorant as it appears to be in Quran?
Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever
they find them (Q.
2:191), to murder them and treat them harshly (Q.
9:123), slay them (Q. 9:
5), fight with them, (Q. 8: 65 ) even if they are
Christians and Jews,
humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax (Q. 9:
29). Quran takes
away the freedom of belief from all humanity and tell
clearly that no other
religion except Islam is accepted (Q. 3: 85). It
relegates those who
disbelieve in Quran to hell (Q. 5: 11), calls them
najis (filthy,
untouchable, impure) (Q. 9: 28). It orders its
followers to fight the
unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is
left (Q. 2: 193). It
says that the non-believers will go to hell and will
drink boiling water
(Q. 14: 17). It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or
cut the hands and
feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from
the land with disgrace
and that “they shall have a great punishment in world
hereafter” (Q.5: 34).
“As for the disbelievers”, it says that “for them
garments of fire shall be
cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling
water whereby
whatever is in their bowls and skin shall be dissolved
and they will be
punished with hooked iron rods” (Q. 22: 9). Quran
prohibits a Muslim to
befriend a non-believer even if that non-believer is
the father or the
brother of that Muslim (Q. 9: 23), (Q. 3: 28). Quran
asks the Muslims to
“strive against the unbelievers with great endeavor
(Q. 25: 52), be stern
with them because they belong to hell (Q. 66: 9). The
holy Prophet demanded
his follower to “strike off the heads of the
disbelievers”; then after
making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up
the remaining
captives” (Q. 47: 4). As for women the book of Allah
says that they are
inferior to men and their husbands have the right to
scourge them if they
are found disobedient (Q. 4:34). It teaches that women
will go to hell if
they are disobedient to their husbands (Q. 66:10). It
maintains that men
have an advantage over the women (Q. 2:228). It not
only denies the women's
equal right to their inheritance (Q. 4:11-12), it also
regards them as
imbeciles and decrees that their witness is not
admissible in the court (Q.
2:282). This means that a woman who is raped cannot
accuse her rapist
unless she can produce a male witness. Muhammad
allowed the Muslims to
marry up to four views and gave them license to sleep
with their slave
maids and as many “captive” women as they may have (Q.
4:3). He himself did
just that. This is why anytime a Muslim army subdues
another nation, they
call them kafir and allow themselves to rape their
women. Pakistani
soldiers raped up to 250,000 Bangali women in 1971
after they massacred
3,000,000 unarmed civilians when their religious
leader decreed that
Bangladeshis are unislamic. This is why the prison
guards in Islamic regime
of Iran rape the women and then kill them after
calling them apostates and
the enemies of Allah. This site scrutinizes Islam with
Rational Thinking.
It rejects time-honored beliefs that cannot stand the
probing of reason. It
asks questions and encourages independent thinking. It
promotes unity of
humankind, equality between men and women, abolition
of prejudices and
freedom from dogmatism and blind faith.

In a world that has become so technologically advanced
that even the
poorest nations that cannot feed themselves boast
having sophisticated
nuclear and biological weapons, small
misunderstandings can cause
catastrophic results. Religion has always been the
biggest source of
misunderstanding. For religion, people are ready to
die, kill and destroy
everything else. Only a religious person would believe
that he would go to
paradise if he kills other human beings. Only a
religious person has no
regards for the lives he destroys because their faith
is not right.

In the past century Islamic fundamentalism has been on
the rise, and with
that terrorisms, revolutions, and upheavals ensued.
Millions of lives were
lost and still counting. Let us pause for a moment and
take a second look
at Islam. We may just have made a mistake. The reason
I think Islam is
harmful and must go is not due to the fact that Quran
says Earth is flat or
the stars are missiles that Allah fires at the jinns
who climb the heaven
to eavesdrop the conversation of the exalted assembly.
These tales could
even amuse us. Islam must go because it teaches hate,
it orders killing the
non-Muslims, it denigrates women and it violates the
human rights. Islam
must go not because it is false but because it is
destructive, because it
is a danger; a threat to peace and security of
humankind. With the
proliferation of weapons of mass destruction in
Islamic countries, Islam
has become a serious and a real threat to the survival
of our species.

Ali Sina
October 2000

Mohammed's teachings are included in what is called
"Hadith." The "Hadith"
is a record of Mohammed's words and deeds according to
his wives, relatives,
and companions. Next to the Quran, it is the most
important part of Islamic
law; its teachings are just as binding.

1. WOMEN

Women are deficient in mind and religion. Mohammed
asked some women, "Isn't
the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?"
The women said, "yes,"
He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the
woman's mind. " Vol.
3:826
Mohammed to women: "I have not seen any one more
deficient in intelligence
and religion than you." Vol. 2:541 The majority of
people in hell are women.
Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the
majority of its
dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol.
7:124
Women are a bad omen. Mohammed said, " Bad omen is in
the woman, the house
and the horse." Vol. 7:30 Women are harmful to men.
Mohammed said, "After
me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men
than women." Vol. 7:33
Women may not wear wigs. Mohammed said, " Don't wear
false hair for Allah
sends His curse upon such ladies who lengthen their
hair artificially." Vol.
7:133

2. SEX AND MARRIAGE
Mohammed married a 9 year old girl. "Narrated Aisha
that the prophet married
her when she was six years old and he consummated his
marriage when she was
nine years old." Vol. 7:64 Allah hurries to please
Mohammed's sexual
desires.
When the Quranic verse that allows Mohammed to
postpone the turn of any wife
was revealed, and when Mohammed said that Allah
allowed him to marry his
adopted son's wife, Aisha (one of his wives) told him,
"O Allah's Apostle I
do not see but that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.
" Vol. 7:48

3. HUMAN RIGHTS
Islam is to be imposed by force. Mohammed said, "I
have been ordered to
fight with the people till they say,"None has the
right to be worshipped but
Allah, and whoever says, " None has the right to be
worshipped but Allah ,
his life and property will be saved by me." (otherwise
it will not). Vol.
4:196
Apostasy is punishable by death. Mohammed said,
"Whoever changes his
Islamic religion, kill him." Vol. 9:57 A Muslim must
not be killed if he
kills a non-Muslim. Mohammed said, " No Muslim should
be killed for killing
a Kafir" (infidel). Vol. 9:50 Ethnic cleansing is
practiced. Mohammed said
to the Jews, "You should know that the earth belongs
to Allah and His
Apostle (Mohammed) and I want to expel you from this
land (The Arabian
Peninsula), so, if anyone owns property, he is
permitted to sell it." Vol.
4:392
Mohammed's last words at his deathbed were: "Turn the
pagans (non-Muslims)
out of the Arabian Peninsula." Vol. 5:716

4. MEDICINE
Drinking camel's urine will make you healthy. "The
prophet ordered them to
follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so
they followed the
camels and drank their milk and urine till their
bodies became healthy."
Vol. 7:590 Fever is from the heat of hell. Mohammed
said, " Fever is from
the heat of hell, so put it out (cool it)with water."
Vol. 7:619 A fly in
your drink is a cure. Mohammed said, "If a housefly
falls in the drink of
anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for
one of its wings has a
disease and the other has the cure for the disease. "
Vol. 4:537

5. MISCELLANEOUS
If you eat garlic don't come to the place of worship.
[I like this one]
Mohammed said, "Whosoever ate from this plant (i.e.
garlic) should not enter
the mosque." Vol. 1:812 Effect of evil eye Mohammed
said, "The effect of an
evil eye is a fact. " Vol. 7:636 Which shoe you should
put on first.
Mohammed said, "If you want to put on your shoes, put
on the right shoe
first, and if you want them off, take the left one
first." Vol. 7:747
Breathing in your drink is bad. Mohammed said, "Don't
breath into your
drinking utensil." Vol. 1:156 God frightens his
devotees with eclipse.
Mohammed said, "The sun and the moon are two signs
amongst the signs of
Allah and they do not eclipse because of the death of
someone but Allah
frightens His devotees with them. " Vol. 2:158

I wouldn't want to be judged by the worst few passages in the Bible. However, the problem with reconciling the Koran and tolerance and that the ratio of intolerant to tolerant passages is so high. If you really must win this kind of an argument, go to a web site that indexes the Koran and search on terms such as Christian, Jew, and unbeliever. Unfortunately, the ratio of intolerant passages is high. This site would do:

The Koran - Simple Search

It must be emphasized that the true meaning of Islam cannot be determined by isolated passages of the Koran, but by what believers make of the whole. There are, bless them, patriotic American Moslems who follow the minority of passages which are indeed humane. See:

Islamic Supreme Council of America

Contrast:

Koran, Surah 9:5:
So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The Bible, Proverbs 1:10-19:
10 My son, if sinners entice you, do not give in to them.
11 If they say, "Come along with us; let's lie in wait for someone's blood, let's waylay some harmless soul;
12 let's swallow them alive, like the grave, [1] and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13 we will get all sorts of valuable things and fill our houses with plunder;
14 throw in your lot with us, and we will share a common purse"-
15 my son, do not go along with them, do not set foot on their paths;
16 for their feet rush into sin, they are swift to shed blood.
17 How useless to spread a net in full view of all the birds!
18 These men lie in wait for their own blood; they waylay only themselves!
19 Such is the end of all who go after ill-gotten gain; it takes away the lives of those who get it.

Thank you for the wonderful passage from Proverbs.

The context here shows the level of decency and tolerance routinely found in most of the Bible. The rabbis who compiled that portion of the old testament allowed Proverbs, like the Song of Songs, to be from the the mouth of Solomon, even though they knew Solomon to be, in large measure, himself an infidel. See I Kings 11:5, "Solomon followed Ashtoreth the godess of the Phoenicians, and Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

I wouldn't want to be judged by the worst few passages in the Bible. However, the problem with reconciling the Koran and tolerance and that the ratio of intolerant to tolerant passages is so high. If you really must win this kind of an argument, go to a web site that indexes the Koran and search on terms such as Christian, Jew, and unbeliever. Unfortunately, the ratio of intolerant passages is high.

PC BS!

What are you referring to: passages like the ones that say adulterers should be stoned to death? When was the most recent stoning in a Judeo-Christian land?

The Koran talks about killing infidels, and you can be pretty sure that infidels were killed yesterday, and the day before, and the day before that.

It's too bad that our PC press doesn't teach all of us infidels how to interpret conflicting passages in the Koran. So I'll say what I have learned. When one of those Love your neighbor passages in the Koran conflicts with another of the Kill the infidels variety, the one dictated later, or last, to Mohammed is given precedence. You can either guess which passages are the "latest," or go ask your local Iman.

(And it's silly to have moved this thread to "religion." Islam is not a religion. It's a military organization.)

ML/NJ

I wouldn't want to be judged by the worst few passages in the Bible.

PC BS!

I'd have to agree with ml/nj on that critique of the opening point. Judging a few passages doesn't encompass the whole story, imo. Read more about this religion and you'll get a lucid picture of what Islam is about:

"I will make my body a bomb," said the boy, "that will blast the flesh of Zionists, the sons of pigs and monkeys.... I will tear their bodies into little pieces and will cause them more pain than they will ever know." His classmates shouted in response, "Allah Akhbar," [God is great] and his teacher shouted, "May the virgins give you pleasure." Islam Unveiled, Robert Spencer cites Jack Kelley's article in USA Today describing the latter's visit to a school run by Hamas... an eleven year old boy reported this to his class.

I agree, its not a religion. Its more militery.
This movement was birth in blood, killing.

The Disciples of Jesus(Born Again)believers our faith was birth In Love one another. a new commandment Jesus gave us.
This was birthed by the Blood of the Lamb.

This link will take you to a previous post in this religion forum regarding "Violence in the Bible and Koran". I think you will find the answers regarding progressive revelation, etc... that you are looking for. It is a very long article, but, well worth the read.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/696408/posts

I meant to copy you on a previous postto ml/nj.

I believe the attached link should clarify the issue of violence in the Koran and explain the principle of progressive revelation. The article is very long, but, it is well worth the time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/696408/posts