Catechism of the Catholic Church Requires Civil Penalties for Abortion

American Life League ^ | Feb 21, 2003 | Judy Brown

[Maximilian]

Judie Brown, President of the American Life League, has been disturbed by the cowardice of the North Dakota bishops who came out AGAINST a bill recently introduced into the state legislature to outlaw abortion. She has posted on her website these excerpts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church to demonstrate how specious were the arguments that the bishops used against the law. These quotations show that the bishops'position was directly contrary to the teaching of the Catechism.

[Siobhan]

Judie is one of my heroes.

[Salvation]

BTTT!

[Salvation]

A reflection on one of the readings from yesterday:

One Bread, One Body

One Bread, One Body

<< Thursday, February 20, 2003 >>

Genesis 9:1-13

Psalm 102

Mark 8:27-33

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GOD’S FIRST WORDS TO US

“God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: ‘Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth.’ ” —Genesis 9:1

One of the first things God said to Noah after the flood was the first thing He said to the human race after creating us: “Be fertile and multiply” (Gn 1:28). God concluded His blessing of Noah with the words: “Be fertile, then, and multiply” (Gn 9:7; see also Gn 1:22).

The Lord has made it very clear that children are a blessing from Him (see Ps 127:3) and should be welcomed (see Mt 18:5). In the new covenant, however, the Lord wants us to multiply not only people but also people who are His disciples (see Mt 28:19). He insists that we bear abundantly the fruit of evangelization, or we will be “like a withered, rejected branch, picked up to be thrown in the fire and burnt” (Jn 15:6).

Naturally, the Lord wants human beings to be created within the marriage covenant through sexual relations and brought to birth through the mother’s suffering in pregnancy and delivery. Supernaturally, the Lord makes us new creations (see Gal 6:15) and gives us new birth (see Jn 3:3, 5) by our covenant relationship with Jesus (see Jn 15:5) and our suffering for love of Him.

Don’t be abortifacient or contraceptive. Choose love and life-giving pain. Choose life and be fruitful.

Prayer: Father make me faithful, fruitful, and pleasing to You.

Promise: “The nations shall revere Your name, O Lord, and all the kings of the earth Your glory.” —Ps 102:16

Praise: Although enduring more than one miscarriage, Sandra continues to choose to follow God’s call to love and openness to life.

[Alkhin]

PRO-LIFE BUMP....Bad Catholic that I am.

[Siobhan]

Excellent, Salvation. God bless you.

[Salvation]

Thanks for the bump.

**Bad Catholic that I am.**

Isn't that what forgiveness is about?

[It's me]

It is my understanding that a "mere" priest cannot forgive the sin of abortion. One has to go to a bishop for forgiveness.

Can anyone confirm this?

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

Interesting point. Thanks.

[ThomasMore]

You can confess the sin of abortion to and receive absolution from any priest. The 1983 code of canon law no longer classifies it as a reserved sin, that is, one only the bishop can absolve.

[Onelifetogive]

It is my understanding that a "mere" priest cannot forgive the sin of abortion. One has to go to a bishop for forgiveness.

From Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

[Desdemona]

WHy doth this one venture to threads to comment on subjects about which he/she knows nothing?

[Onelifetogive]

You can confess the sin of abortion to and receive absolution from any priest. The 1983 code of canon law no longer classifies it as a reserved sin, that is, one only the bishop can absolve.

LOL!

Christ spent His entire earthly ministry opposing the legalism of the Jewish religion. The Jews had nothing on Catholic legalism.

[Onelifetogive]

WHy doth this one venture to threads to comment on subjects about which he/she knows nothing?

My comment came directly, word for word, from the book of Mark. Not a single syllable of my own invention! Are you claiming that St. Mark knows nothing about forgiveness of sins?

[Desdemona]

No. I am claiming you do not know the sacrament of Reconciliation, where the priest stands in Christ's place, as one of His successors to hear sins confessed.

[Desdemona]

And if that's not quite right, about the priest standing in Christ's stead, someone with better Catechesis than me will correct it.

[patent]

You post this article, and date it as if it’s a recent post to the ALL website, and act as if its in response to the acts of the ND Bishops. You even make the claim:

She has posted on her website these excerpts from the Catechism of the Catholic Church to demonstrate how specious were the arguments that the bishops used against the law.

That is false. This article was posted at least as of May 31, 2000, which was over 2 ½ years ago. You stop at nothing to slam these Bishops. Did Bishop Zipfel get under your thin SSPX skin by calling the SSPX schismatic, referring to Archbishop Lefebvre as excommunicated, and making it clear to Catholics in his diocese that the local SSPX parish did not enjoy communion with the Roman Catholic Church?

Perhaps it was his ignoring the SSPX demand that he “Halt the celebration of the New Mass” that gets to Traditionalists?

Who knows. However, I do note that you repeatedly characterize Ms. Brown as being “disturbed by the cowardice of the North Dakota bishops.” In addition to your claim that these catechism sections are new, are you her spokesman or something now? If not, can you show me where she says something of this sort, or are you just putting words in her mouth?

Yes, she disagrees with the Bishops on this, but I hardly think she agrees with you, and posting two year old materials from her website, lying about their date, and putting words in her mouth hardly helps your case.

You are fond of making bogus claims about non-schismatic Catholics, like your previous claim on this issue that “not even Catholic bishops truly support the right to life,” a claim so thoroughly proven false that you couldn’t even respond last time, and just like your claim that “The default state today for virtually all Catholics is to be living objectively in a state of mortal sin” something you still have yet to justify.

I’m sure you consider me to be in mortal sin merely for responding to you again. Regardless, your agenda is transparent, and your efforts are disingenuous.

patent  +AMDG

[Onelifetogive]

No. I am claiming you do not know the sacrament of Reconciliation, where the priest stands in Christ's place, as one of His successors to hear sins confessed.

I would agree. That one baffles both me and St. Mark.

[patent]

WHy doth this one venture to threads to comment on subjects about which he/she knows nothing?

My comment came directly, word for word, from the book of Mark. Not a single syllable of my own invention! Are you claiming that St. Mark knows nothing about forgiveness of sins?

LOL. The quote you made isn’t Jesus speaking, or even St. Mark, it’s the scribes. It was put in their to demonstrate thier foolishness, yet you quote it as wisdom. You apparently think one should quote the scribes as a source of theology. The full citation:

6 But there was certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,

7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?

8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts?

So, Onelifetogive, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? We Catholics will stick with Jesus.

patent  +AMDG